[lindil]

Very good Tar-Palntir! [except the arwen part of course ]. <P>Rindowen:<P>re: the editors/pi$$ comment, it is an old saw I learned in jouranlism class, it makes reference to editors [ or director/writers in theis case] having the uneviable tendency to change things from what they really are so that they appeal to the editor's own preferences and bias.<P>If you want to see that as an attack, fine. I see it as valid criticism of someone who took what everyone here would probably agree is the most important book of the 20th century and changed things in order not just in order to make it fit and conform to an ancceptable and profitable movie format [which as I have argued, given who he had and how much money was involved was a {hard - earned} given], but began to make changes becuaes he seemed to think they were 'better versions' of the story.<P>I will admit, I don not ascribe to all of Willie's thoughts that he was selling out. I am saddened that he felt the need to try and imrpove the plot and characters. That was a vast mistake, which I can only see coming from hubris or pride that he really knew better than Tolkien how the characters and storyline all worked together.<P>One final word on the rules.<P>They are very general: do not flame or attack other posters.<P>However in the Movie forum because so many times people have said something on the order of " well let me see you make a better movie" or "well when you make one yourself let me know, then I will listen to what you have to say" These types of negating statements are by nature absurd to a discussion forum.<P> One is in effect telling the critic that they must sped 270 million dollars [ more or less] to have a reply that is worth anything. Now admittedly what you said way back on page 2 -<BR>"You can all sit here and talk about how you would have filmed this differently.. well, then DO it! I challenge you! "<P>was just short of that, but it was said again explicitly a few posts later if I recall correctly, by another poster.<P>Estelyn [in a thread I tried to find but could not] said essentially that telling a fellow board member that they had to make their own movie in order to criticize it was not allowed, as also was the rejoinder of inisisting people stop criticizing the movie.<P>Both have been repeated so many times that the Moderator [ and BW himself] have asked for those specific actions to stop.<P>If you have any doubts, feel free to ask them to address it on this thread.<P>So yes, we all entitled to our opinion here, and I often learn asmuch from opinions I do not share as one's I do, and I am sure that is true for many of you, however, the one opinion not allowed is negating another's right to an speak out in a civilized manner on the appropriate threads.<P>that is the last I will say on any posting manners I am not the Moderator of this Forum, I and other older members and Forum leaders do from time to time speak on other forums, especially poor Estelyn's because I would like her to be able to spend some hof her time here at the downs enjoying it and not running to police every thred in the movies or every newcomer thread that appears in the Books.<P>now all etiquette aside...<P> R. : <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I never once said, "Shut up, folks!" I was simply questioning why we should be so hard on PJ for creating the work he created.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Those who feel PJ erred gtreatly have given you numerous points as to why we are hard on him, most people who are disturbed by the movies in whole or in part have been able and willing to explain why they feel PJ desrves a hard time. I am curous as to why you are still asking...<P>also regarding the bastardizing comment; althogh the word sounds harsh, as my dictionary reference shows, it accurately expressed my opinions. <P>I find this thread has ceased to discuss and now has become self-consuming, so I will give it a rest as I have said everything I have to say, and as far as I can tell others seem to as well.<P>happy readings [ and viewings]<P>lindil out<p>[ January 31, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]