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The Only Real Estel · 08-27-2003, 12:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But it still does not sit quite right with me that, right there in the King's chamber, so little resistance is shown by the King's guards when Gandalf makes an aggressive move towards him. However much they might have mistrusted Wormtongue or been concerned over their King's state of mind, their first instinct would surely have been to protect him against a clear threat to him from an outsider. And earlier in the film, they had been quite prepared to forcibly expel Eomer from the court on Wormtongue's orders. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Quite right. In fact, the only people that actually attack the company don't seem to be an any armour (I could be wrong), & almost come across as a personal band of cronies of Wormtounge's...strange but that's the way it seemed to me. I would also think that Theoden's own guards would try to stop Ganadlf (as you said SMan), especially after it became clear that he was in some pain or discomfort.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>For me, the whole scene just works so much better as it is portrayed in the book with Gandalf breaking Wormtongue's hold over Theoden through the force of his words. Less cinematographical perhaps, but far more feasible.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ditto.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> He says that they can not bring in their weapons to Meduseld, and then says that it is a command from--pausing dramatically and squinting his eyes--Grima Wormtongue. That part struck me as quite ludicrous. Whoever the actor was, he seemed to be playing out some sort of comedic sketch, reminiscent of a Monty Python movie. Perhaps my memory on this is faded, as I have not seen the movie since a week after its release, but that part came off as a particularly unbelievable and even laughable bit of acting. (I will note however that the actor who said it played the rest of his limited role well.)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> By all means have your own opinon, but I don't quite agree with that. PJ was trying to show that even Hama disliked Wormtounge (the way the actor said it sounded like he was fed up with Grima's orders), & wished that some help could be given to his King. It didn't strike me as 'bad acting' or 'funny' in the least. <p>[ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

08-27-2003, 12:57 PM	#31
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But it still does not sit quite right with me that, right there in the King's chamber, so little resistance is shown by the King's guards when Gandalf makes an aggressive move towards him. However much they might have mistrusted Wormtongue or been concerned over their King's state of mind, their first instinct would surely have been to protect him against a clear threat to him from an outsider. And earlier in the film, they had been quite prepared to forcibly expel Eomer from the court on Wormtongue's orders. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Quite right. In fact, the only people that actually attack the company don't seem to be an any armour (I could be wrong), & almost come across as a personal band of cronies of Wormtounge's...strange but that's the way it seemed to me. I would also think that Theoden's own guards would try to stop Ganadlf (as you said SMan), especially after it became clear that he was in some pain or discomfort.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>For me, the whole scene just works so much better as it is portrayed in the book with Gandalf breaking Wormtongue's hold over Theoden through the force of his words. Less cinematographical perhaps, but far more feasible.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ditto.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> He says that they can not bring in their weapons to Meduseld, and then says that it is a command from--pausing dramatically and squinting his eyes--Grima Wormtongue. That part struck me as quite ludicrous. Whoever the actor was, he seemed to be playing out some sort of comedic sketch, reminiscent of a Monty Python movie. Perhaps my memory on this is faded, as I have not seen the movie since a week after its release, but that part came off as a particularly unbelievable and even laughable bit of acting. (I will note however that the actor who said it played the rest of his limited role well.)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> By all means have your own opinon, but I don't quite agree with that. PJ was trying to show that even Hama disliked Wormtounge (the way the actor said it sounded like he was fed up with Grima's orders), & wished that some help could be given to his King. It didn't strike me as 'bad acting' or 'funny' in the least. <p>[ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]