HCIsland<P>Re <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Pacing is important. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But not if it is to the detriment of the film. As Jonathon32 quoted<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I just don't buy that the flow of this movie would be hurt by wrapping up Sauraman ... especially when the second movie started with a flashback of a scene from the middle of the first, and was filled with unneeded flashbacks to Aragorn and Arwen in the middle of the movie.” <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Jackson wasn’t THAT bothered about pacing there, was he? The film just drops DEAD at the aragorn/arwen point and on my DVD now I skip to the next scene (and sometimes skip Elrond / arwen as well). It just bugs me that he uses the pacing excuse EVERY time he takes something out.<P>Finwe<P>Re <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I can see why he wouldn't want to put much of the Isengard scene at the beginning of RotK because it would make it seem like a continuation of TTT, not a further development of the overall story. It would become a continuation of the second "chapter," and wouldn't let it develop into the third "chapter." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Of course, because IT’S NOT MEANT TO BE PART OF ROTK!!!!! It’s because we had a detour to osgilliath and a long helm’s deep scene that this was not added in to TT. No doubt Jackson would have made the same excuse of ‘pacing’ if he COULD have fit it on to the end of TT. Indeed, the title of the 2 Towers movie should have been 1 Tower anyway, as we don’t see Cirith Ungol (again because of the same reasons).<P>The ninth valar<P>Re <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I don't think the average moviegoer will even know there WAS a Saruman/Grima scene cut out. Probably less than 10% of the viewing audience - I'd wager less than 5% - even read online movie news. They won't know, won't care and will love the movie just fine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ok, imagine the scene. Darth Vader throws the Emperor into the chasm and then we next cut to luke leaving the death star just before it blows up. We then move to the celebration scene and see Anakin Skywalker smiling at Luke. You think people wouldn’t have minded this? The main ‘baddie’ in a film not having his death scene shown and his fac unmasked? People WILL care, even non readers who we all seem to think are thick and can’t understand the gist of a movie without reading a novel first!<P><BR>I put it to you all that one of the main reasons for it’s removal is that Jackson has been forced to cut to get the film to a workable time (no matter what he says the laws of money come into it – longer film, less number of plays each day at the cinema) by Newline and he needs to cut. I’m in no doubt that the battle for pellenor fields and at the black gate will take up a large amount of film time, as did Helm’s Deep in TT. Why can’t he cut back on this and not Saruman?<P>Sorry for my rant, I needed to get it off my chest. I'm worrying now that, like tt, I will leave the cinema dissapointed for the first viewing, and only learn to love the film after I've stomached the changes.<P>I just don't trust Jackson when he says for the ROTK film he won't change the events in the book much..........<P>ps I love the movies, jackson has done a tremendous job etc etc etc.<p>[ November 10, 2003: Message edited by: Essex ]
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