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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The intro was a mistake but you are picking on technical problems here which are a result not of the director but of the budget <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Wrong, the representation of Sauron as one of the Knights who say “Ni” has nothing to do with budget. It was simply their choice to do so. It would not be hard to rent a better looking set of armour from a fancy dress shop, especially when it is only shown in silhouette.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Much more reasonable than having Gandalf go half-insane and start creeping about the Shire in thunderstorms <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yep, that’s right he went half-insane. More hyperbole.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> A minor continuity error, much less sever than having Frodo etc camp under the stone trolls and nobody mentioning it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Watch the extended edition. It is mentioned. Even in the normal version, given that Bilbo’s stone trolls have already been mentioned I should think that the maths are quite easy to work out. <P>Stone trolls described by Bilbo. They are now camped under stone trolls. The same ones?? Hmm, not too difficult.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> God knows what that was about <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Saruman is referred to as Aruman many times during Bakshi’s version. Watch it and see. Perhaps Bakshi thought that two villains starting with S was too many. Who knows. It’s crap though.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Oh, you mean the Aragorn that looks like he's lived in the wilderness for years (a bit like a Native American, for example) and has a voice that you could believe would lead men into the jaws of death? I assume that you prefer the Mr No-Charisma that Jackson used <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>A voice that you could believe would lead men into death? The voice of John Merrick? Hmm, personal opinion here I guess. And Native American or not, wearing a mini-skirt whilst trudging around wild heathlands and forests is more than a little stupid.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> <BR>Although since Elendil has never previously been mentioned we are none the wiser about what this actually means. <BR>______________________________________________ _____<BR> <BR>More continuity problems; both versions are rife with them, eg The Old Forest reference in TTT. <BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Right, a reference to the Old Forest in the Two Towers is equal to forgetting to mention exactly who Aragorn is descended from and who owned his sword previously. In fact, who he is heir to? OK?<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It did alright for its time; the still graphics used in the depiction of Gandalf's battle with it made up for the slippers. Jackson's balrog was terrific (literally). But again we're talking technical issues, not directorial. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Again the look of the Balrog is nothing to do with technical issues. The format used is animation, ie pictures. Artists have been doing pictures of Tolkien for years, notably for the Tolkien Calendars. Awesome that Bakshi’s disco-boot wearing Cowardly Lion became far and away the worst ever depicted on the first try.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think Bakshi was going for a "Our champion fights your champion before the main battle" sort of thing that appears in some Celtic and Anglo-Saxon stories but it all went wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Apart from the fact that they do not actually fight each other though.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Better than the sudden appearance of the Olympic-Torch Orc running in a conspicuous manner in front of a line of Elves with bows. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>They use explosives to blow up the wall. It is a requirement for the fuse to be lit. Given that someone has to go up and light it and the presence of Elven archers I would say running probably was the best tactic in the circumstances don’t you?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> They fall back but the charge fails, which it should have. Given that Jackson's version had horses charging down a cliff face onto the waiting pikes of the orcs I don't think you can really claim it as an improvement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Point one is that Bakshi’s Orcs retreat solely on the basis of a horn call. They not only retreat they drop all their weapons. You find that valid? OK then…..<P>And the whole point of the charge/pike scene was that they knew the sun would blind the Uruk’s and cause them to lose their focus. I felt that was clear enough. As did pretty much the rest of the cinema going population I think.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But I would also have prefered Jackson to dump it once he realised that he couldn't handle characterisation, pace or subtlety. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Right he should have dumped it and missed out on the critic’s acclaim, over $1 billion of movie receipts, Oscar nominations and wins as well as obtaining the credibility to make his dream project of King Kong. Instead he should have stuck to low budget Zombie films.<P>With recommendations like that I bet PJ is glad that he doesn’t have you as an advisor. In fact I bet every director is.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Finally: why did you even come to this thread? Was there some reason you thought that a topic entitled "Topic: Crimes Against Tolkienity" under "Movies" was going to be a hymn of praise to Peter Jackson? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So your idea of the thread is that it was to be a forum for people to criticise what Jackson has done without rebuttal? Yep, I can really see how your way is better. Though I thought this was a discussion forum rather than a “hey everyone lets express one viewpoint only forum”.