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Old 02-22-2004, 10:55 AM   #21
Lyta_Underhill
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The maturity that the hobbits have gained through their Quest is evident in Frodo's conversation with Saruman on the way home and again in "The Scouring of the Shire," wherein it is revealed that they no longer need the guidance of Gandalf in keeping and restoring the tranquility of the Shire.
I, too, missed this aspect, Lord of Angmar. It helped to differentiate Frodo from the other hobbits and from his surroundings as well. If some sort of treatment of this part had been added, I think it would have gone a long way towards making it crystal clear how different Frodo is at the end from the other three hobbits and also how rarefied he has become with respect to the Shire itself. It would have added the necessary dimension to the Grey Havens scene in my opinion. The pumpkin scene in the Green Dragon merely serves to illustrate how different all of the hobbits are upon their return, but does not set up the events of the Grey Havens, really.

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the tale of Arwen Undomiel and her father is extremely tragic in its ultimate fulfillment, and the movie did not adequately express the pain of Elrond at having to leave his daughter forever (in the word's most literal sense), nor did I see any sign of the bitterness that Tolkien ascribed to the final parting of Arwen and Elrond beyond the confines of the world.
I don't think PJ allowed enough time to properly support the bitter leavetaking between these two. As I recall, this occurs after Arwen and Aragorn are wed and it occurs when they are alone. I would say Elrond's expression at the 'unveiling' of Arwen to Aragorn in Minas Tirith is appropriate to where he is; bitterness here would not be proper. I did, however, love Hugo's expression, which seemed to me to radiate a long-standing sadness, more a melancholy with a pang to it, which seems fitting for an Elf in his situation, really.

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