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Old 02-25-2004, 10:16 AM   #14
Hot, crispy nice hobbit
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Hot, crispy nice hobbit has just left Hobbiton.
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"I should like to save the Shire, if I could - though there have been times when I thought the inhabitants too stupid and dull for words, and have felt that an earthquake or an invasion of dragons might be good for them. But I don't feel like that now. I feel that as long as the Shire lies behind, safe and comfortable, I shall find wandering more bearable: I shall know that somewhere there is a firm foothold, even if my feet cannot stand there again."
You can find this exact words in the discussion between Gandalf and Frodo in The Fellowship of the Ring: The Shadow of the Past Gee, I guess Frodo's opinions could change, but I don't believe he could stand by without drawing a sword while his folks are getting killed. Just read:

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"Frodo had been in the battle, but he had not drawn sword, and his chief part had been to prevent the hobbits in their wrath at their losses, from slaying those of their enemies who threw down their weapons."
Sounds a lot like a UN peacekeeper, doesn't it? In fact, I had always felt that Frodo should not have gone back to the Shire, but stayed with Bilbo in Rivendell.

Er, as to that thing about why orcs pursue the killers of their captains, I frankly can't believe there could have been much love lost among any orcs, seeing the way they have been portrayed. To avenge a leader require much loyalty to the said leader by his/her subject, and the Appendix F of LOTR states that they are 'being filled with malice, hating even their own kind'. Does that mean there can be a charismatic leader among Orcs?!? *Imagine a Fasist Orc* (But there had been evidence that orcs have sufficient free will and initiative to organise attacks even without the bidding of a megalomaniac: note the disaster of the Gladden Fields)

There is a sentence about the Seven Fathers in the Silmarillion, but it is up for debate whether this can be considered canon:

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But fearing that the other Valar might blame his work, he wrought in secret: and he made first the Seven Fathers of Dwarves in a hall under the mountains in Middle-Earth
Had there been a discussion about this already? Great!
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