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Boromir88 · 05-05-2004, 03:39 PM

Kalimac, Denethor was probably started going mad when Ecthelion died. Since, you had this "Thorongil" who was supposedly the King of Gondor, and Denethor was worried about himself being the heir of his father, thats when he started to look in the palantir. He slowly declined then when his wife Finduilas died, I do agree he rapidly declined when Boromir died. Denethor saw Boromir as Gondor's last hope when he died everything just went down hill, the true "breaking point" for me was when Faramir was wounded and he thought he was going to die, I think that was the point where it was just to much for Denethor to handle.

Gwaihir, yes PJ just love twisting around the characters. I agree Boromir would of never said "Gondor needs no king," through the whole journey Boromir wanted to have Aragorn come to Minas Tirith, and was content with the coming of the king to aid Gondor. Anything to help Gondor prevail was Boromir's concern, he was content with the sword coming back but he thought Gondor could only be saved if the ring was in his possession.

Denethor was a horrible father, but great man, and great commander. He was a good fighter and was wise in lore, much like his son Faramir. Thing wrong with Denethor was anyone who did not fight under his command he hated (perhaps the exclusion of Theoden, since Denethor put his hope into Rohan coming). You saw Beregond commit treason to save his loved captain Faramir, in the end Aragorn would of been restored king, I believe, no ifs ands or buts about it.

05-05-2004, 03:39 PM	#26
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Good question Kalimac, Denethor was probably started going mad when Ecthelion died. Since, you had this "Thorongil" who was supposedly the King of Gondor, and Denethor was worried about himself being the heir of his father, thats when he started to look in the palantir. He slowly declined then when his wife Finduilas died, I do agree he rapidly declined when Boromir died. Denethor saw Boromir as Gondor's last hope when he died everything just went down hill, the true "breaking point" for me was when Faramir was wounded and he thought he was going to die, I think that was the point where it was just to much for Denethor to handle. Gwaihir, yes PJ just love twisting around the characters. I agree Boromir would of never said "Gondor needs no king," through the whole journey Boromir wanted to have Aragorn come to Minas Tirith, and was content with the coming of the king to aid Gondor. Anything to help Gondor prevail was Boromir's concern, he was content with the sword coming back but he thought Gondor could only be saved if the ring was in his possession. Denethor was a horrible father, but great man, and great commander. He was a good fighter and was wise in lore, much like his son Faramir. Thing wrong with Denethor was anyone who did not fight under his command he hated (perhaps the exclusion of Theoden, since Denethor put his hope into Rohan coming). You saw Beregond commit treason to save his loved captain Faramir, in the end Aragorn would of been restored king, I believe, no ifs ands or buts about it.