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Elianna · 05-26-2004, 01:14 PM

"Knight of Gondor" may just be a term coined for the movies, don't hold me to that though, I'm not sure. There are certainly Guards of the Citadel, which is a pristegous (sp?) rank of solider, and probably has some pomp to the ceremony of entry.

As for lords: just for clearification, for all those at this topic, the order of nobles is: king, prince, duke, marquess, earl (count is equivalent), viscount (like vice-count), baron, baronet, and knight. Baronets and knights are both called "Sir". I'm sure the Kings and Stewards needed help governing all of Gondor's provinces. We're talking about roughly eight states across 700 miles of mostly wild country. Gondor probably had all of these various nobles.

And about the names: If they're Rohirric, they would mean something in Old English. The best I can get for Albrecht is "sudden fire" and that's "bracen" not "brecht". I don't think "cht" ever occurs in Old English. Adhemar, best I can get it, would mean "oath about honor". But I doubt we have many scholars of Old English here at the 'Downs, so they'd be okay Rohan names I guess. If they're Gondor names, they would most likely mean something in Sindarin. Adhemar could be some really messed up version of Edhel-mar (elf-home), but I can't figure anything for Albrecht. If you make them Gondorian names, there's always the loop hole that they're in some language spoken in Gondor before the Numenoreans came (Erech is an example of these words).

05-26-2004, 01:14 PM	#2
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	"Knight of Gondor" may just be a term coined for the movies, don't hold me to that though, I'm not sure. There are certainly Guards of the Citadel, which is a pristegous (sp?) rank of solider, and probably has some pomp to the ceremony of entry. As for lords: just for clearification, for all those at this topic, the order of nobles is: king, prince, duke, marquess, earl (count is equivalent), viscount (like vice-count), baron, baronet, and knight. Baronets and knights are both called "Sir". I'm sure the Kings and Stewards needed help governing all of Gondor's provinces. We're talking about roughly eight states across 700 miles of mostly wild country. Gondor probably had all of these various nobles. And about the names: If they're Rohirric, they would mean something in Old English. The best I can get for Albrecht is "sudden fire" and that's "bracen" not "brecht". I don't think "cht" ever occurs in Old English. Adhemar, best I can get it, would mean "oath about honor". But I doubt we have many scholars of Old English here at the 'Downs, so they'd be okay Rohan names I guess. If they're Gondor names, they would most likely mean something in Sindarin. Adhemar could be some really messed up version of Edhel-mar (elf-home), but I can't figure anything for Albrecht. If you make them Gondorian names, there's always the loop hole that they're in some language spoken in Gondor before the Numenoreans came (Erech is an example of these words). __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya. Last edited by Elianna; 05-26-2004 at 01:23 PM.