Fordim Hedgethistle wrote;
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We've already discovered that the Shire is not the idyllic and faultless land that it first appears to be
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Ouch! I've always thought of the Shire as very idyllic.
I mean, compared to now a days and just in general - (at least for "me"). I think it depends on how you see it though. There will always be minor, and big, faults in a society, although some of them may not matter if you see it in the bigger picture. I'm not sure what you exactly you're thinking about when you say this
Fordim. Is it about the poverty that has been discussed earlier? Is it about the Hobbit "lies". I use the "-" because I think it's rather funny; Hobbit liars. I don't really see it that way.
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The problem is most people have this messed up opinion about what a lie is. It's like they think lies have to be malicious or something. Well, they don't. If I meet some girl and in order to impress her I tell her some stories about things I've done but exaggerate a bit and make myself look better, that's lying just as much as a murderer denying he murdered someone and inventing an alibi.
I'm not trying to say hobbits are evil, merely that they don't always stick to the truth.
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I have to say that I agree with you at some point. Lies doesn't always have to be malicious, but I'm not very fond of lies even though they may not be malicious, (or used as a "tool" to impress a girl.
) But at the same time, you're being honest; we lie all the time, we may be aware of it and we may not. They can be cruel but they can also be harmless. We also use the so called "white lies", that just hides the truth a bit from the open.
I'm convinced (
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Okay, I may have been a bit off topic here. I apologise.
Cheers,
Orofaniel