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mark12_30 · 06-19-2004, 03:35 PM

Eomer, there's one I had not thought of. Interesting. I'll be on the lookout for that next time I read through! Certainly Sam had it out for Smeagol, but did he ever indulge it-- *against his master's wishes*? What would Tolkien have thought of the movie version of Sam and Smeagol...?

Very interesting food for thought.

In terms of "Let's" versus "Let us", I don't think Tolkien would have lost a lot of sleep over that one, and we can move on.

I think there are other items Tolkien would have lost a *lot* more sleep over; epic-level things; mythic-level things. Things involving honor and purity and nobility... Character traits. What think you?

Eomer's point-- Sam and Smeagol-- involves character, and I do think it's key. Let's go back to his description of his heroic, epic mythology:

connected legend
large and cosmogonic
romantic fairy-story
splendour
vast
cool and clear
fair elusive beauty
'high', purged of the gross
steeped in poetry
great tales in fullness
majestic whole

Did Tolkien get there?
And did PJ follow him there?

06-19-2004, 03:35 PM	#6
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Eomer, there's one I had not thought of. Interesting. I'll be on the lookout for that next time I read through! Certainly Sam had it out for Smeagol, but did he ever indulge it-- against his master's wishes? What would Tolkien have thought of the movie version of Sam and Smeagol...? Very interesting food for thought. In terms of "Let's" versus "Let us", I don't think Tolkien would have lost a lot of sleep over that one, and we can move on. I think there are other items Tolkien would have lost a lot more sleep over; epic-level things; mythic-level things. Things involving honor and purity and nobility... Character traits. What think you? Eomer's point-- Sam and Smeagol-- involves character, and I do think it's key. Let's go back to his description of his heroic, epic mythology: connected legend large and cosmogonic romantic fairy-story splendour vast cool and clear fair elusive beauty 'high', purged of the gross steeped in poetry great tales in fullness majestic whole Did Tolkien get there? And did PJ follow him there? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 06-19-2004 at 03:41 PM.