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Tar Elenion · 03-20-2001, 06:30 PM

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Quothe Michael Martinez:
Tolkien made the statement, in Appendix A, that after the Fall of Gil-galad the last descendants of the high kings in Middle-earth were to be found only in the descendants of Elrond and Elros.
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Actually it says "...after the fall of Gil-galad the lineage of the High-elven Kings was also in Middle-earth only represented by their descendants." Which is slightly different.

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Galadriel was not the daughter of a high king, although she was the daughter of the third King of the Noldor in Aman (Finarfin). Some people hold that he would be the fourth King of the Noldor, since Fingolfin had ruled the Noldor of Tirion while Feanor and Finwe were living in exile in Formenos.
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First King of the Noldor: Finwe.
Next person called King of the Noldor: Fingolfin
Feanor is never said to be King of the Noldor (it only states he claimed this title, and it states that the majority of the Noldor did not accept this claim and refused to renounce Fingolfin (who also claimed the title).
Finarfin is not ever called King of the Noldor, (though he did rule the Noldor left in Aman after he abandoned the Flight).

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Anyway, it may be this statement or a similar one which confuses some people. All three of the royal families of the Eldar were represented in the descendants of Elros, but those descendants could not claim Ingwe as an ancestor.
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Probably this one: "When Aragorn, descended in long line from Elros, wedded Arwen in the third union of Men and Elves, the lines of all the Three Kings of the High Elves (Eldar), Ingwe, Finwe, and Olwe and Elwe were untied and alone preserved in Middle-earth", Shibboleth of Feanor.
Of course there is no known descent from Ingwe. Only from Ingwe's sister.

Tar-Elenion The High Elves had been in the hands of the gods praising and adoring Eru 'the One', Iluvatar the Father of All on the Mountain of Aman</p>

03-20-2001, 06:30 PM	#13
Tar Elenion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 369	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 59</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: .... --------------------------------- Quothe Michael Martinez: Tolkien made the statement, in Appendix A, that after the Fall of Gil-galad the last descendants of the high kings in Middle-earth were to be found only in the descendants of Elrond and Elros. ------------------------------------- Actually it says "...after the fall of Gil-galad the lineage of the High-elven Kings was also in Middle-earth only represented by their descendants." Which is slightly different. ------------------------------------------ Quote: Galadriel was not the daughter of a high king, although she was the daughter of the third King of the Noldor in Aman (Finarfin). Some people hold that he would be the fourth King of the Noldor, since Fingolfin had ruled the Noldor of Tirion while Feanor and Finwe were living in exile in Formenos. ------------------------------------------ First King of the Noldor: Finwe. Next person called King of the Noldor: Fingolfin Feanor is never said to be King of the Noldor (it only states he claimed this title, and it states that the majority of the Noldor did not accept this claim and refused to renounce Fingolfin (who also claimed the title). Finarfin is not ever called King of the Noldor, (though he did rule the Noldor left in Aman after he abandoned the Flight). ------------------------------------ Quote: Anyway, it may be this statement or a similar one which confuses some people. All three of the royal families of the Eldar were represented in the descendants of Elros, but those descendants could not claim Ingwe as an ancestor. --------------------------------------- Probably this one: "When Aragorn, descended in long line from Elros, wedded Arwen in the third union of Men and Elves, the lines of all the Three Kings of the High Elves (Eldar), Ingwe, Finwe, and Olwe and Elwe were untied and alone preserved in Middle-earth", Shibboleth of Feanor. Of course there is no known descent from Ingwe. Only from Ingwe's sister. Tar-Elenion The High Elves had been in the hands of the gods praising and adoring Eru 'the One', Iluvatar the Father of All on the Mountain of Aman</p> __________________ Tar-Elenion