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Old 07-02-2004, 03:45 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Evisse
And is Estel ever proven wrong?
I don't think it can be, as it's not based on evidence - that would be amdir. Estel, as I understand it, is something like religious faith - Tolkien translates it as 'trust'. I'd think estel could only be proved wrong if the victory of evil was to be complete in the end - which it couldn't really be, as evil is not (imo) an equal & opposite force in Middle Earth, but a perversion/corruption of good. Eru remains dominant & in theory must win out in the end.

Could Eru be corrupted? If so, then estel would prove false. But what would corrupt Eru into betraying His own nature? I think estel, based as it is ultimately on faith & trust in Eru cannot be proven wrong as long as Eru remains Eru - & He has no real reason not to!
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