sorrry Bombur, if my suggestion re: the thread felt like policing, it was merely a suggestion.
Now if we were in my forum... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
you mentioned the following:
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1-Now to which
category do the palantir fall?
2-Galadriel is not divining. What she is doing is that she is looking through the
water to distant place as she has long time ago learned how to do it. 3-Perhaps even Feanor made the palantir together with Galadriel. After all, the
Palantir bother me. Where did this power come from.4- It would be the only
instance in the history of middle earth of someone making an item having
some kind of basic capability that the maker does not have.
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Out of your many points [most of which i agree with in at least some of their aspects] I see he above 4 differently.
1- I would [ purely my opinion here] put the Palantir much closer to the Silmarils because of the complexity of their functions they are as i have mentioned elsewhere 'crystalized Osanwe' + skrying.
2- As far as I can tell we do not know exactly what Galadriel was doing, what was innate and what was Osanwe and what belonged to the properties of the mirror. we are only given 2 examples of anyone working w/ the mirror and neither of them is her. This point was broached several posts above.
3- Extremely unlikely. here's why :
a> Gandalf mentioned [to pippinI think on the ride to Gondor] of wanting to look back to Valinor in the stone and see the 'hands and mind of Feanor at work' If Galadriel had had a hand in the Palantir G. would have mentioned it also
b> in the long discussion on the Palantir in UT we see nothing re: Galadriel at all.
c> As I have said before Feanor was not on good relations w/ his father's children by Indis or Indis herself.
The Silmarillion shows some of this. Shibboleth of Feanor [ and an extract of it in UT in the Galadriel and Celeborn chapter] in PoME and also the Finwe and Miriel material in MR all show a Feanor who despised his 1/2 kin. Some of the sons of Feanor are known to have had close friends among their cousins [ Aredhel w/ Celgorm amd Curufin, Fingon and Maedhros are mentioned] Feanor was an unhappy genius and seemingly a loner. I recall somewhere a saying that 'ever he worked alone', his spirit was far too great for his personality to manage.
4- Osanwe has many similarities to the palantir. The essential difference as far as I can tell is in the sense of sight. Sending the mind forth, or a specific emanation of the mind i.e. a thought [ as a palantir does] is only a step away from attaching vision to the thought and receiving it back [ remote viewing] I had previously ascribed this ability to the Elves in some measure but upon checking what i thought was the primary reference in FotR [Elrond to the ccompany before the departure] I am now of a different opinion, re: any examples of this ability among the Elves [ can anyone cite examples?].
The Osanwe Kenta states that all 'minds' are equal in status thought they differ in capacity and strength .
We know the Valar [ at least manwe and morgoth] can 'see' almost w/out limit, although and this most certainly does deserve a thread of it's own : )] though I know of no exploartion of the extant and limitations of this. So w/ the above quote in mind it is possible that the function of remote viewing [ if we take it as a latent capacity in all incarnates] was temporarily isolated and somehow imprinted on the Palantir. I am only specualting here w/ in the texts as well as i can. Others will hopefully have more research [from the Legendarium] to add.
so in short Feanor [ and all incarnates] may have 'remote-veiwing ' capabilities [ as surely semms the case if modern tales of government employ of remote-viewres be even partially true]. Feanor seems to have taken the trouble to at least temporarily isolate this latent ability and 'imprint' or them on a 'crystal' sphere.
I agree w/ you though Bombur that vision was not Feanor's strong suit by nature Not that these seem to be Feanor's strong suit as you mention but he may well have in his younger days striven mightily against his own weakness.
One final point though Bombur; while Galadriel's Ring was Nenya and had a white stone it was the ring of Water. And Elrond's was the ring of Air w/ a blue Sapphire. Backwards from the usual and to me obvious elemantal associations, but perhaps explainable in that the sky is [seen as] blue and water can be clear and even white upon occasion of great stirring. I also posted the reverse correspondences awhile back and was corrected by the Chief -Wight himself if I recall. I just took that info from the 'Complete Guide to M-E' although previously I checked the LotR and Silm ['of the rings of power...' ] references myself.