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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: The oldest people of ME?
To Durelen
you said:
Just wanted to say that it isn't certain that he wasn't one of the firs elves. There is no evidence on Cirdan being one of the first one way or another. Just because there is no mention of a wife, doens't mean that he didn't have one. Or perhaps she died very early.
Cirdan was probably not one of the unbegotten because of this reason. Cirdan was said to be of " Of the Kin of Elwe. There is no mention whatsoever of him being Elwe's father, or for him being at all older. Since Thingol was the chief of the Teleri, along with his brother Olwe, it is at the very least much more plausible that he was younger, or for instance, a cousin. He was said to have silver hair, like the kin of Elwe, not that Elwe had the hair "of Cirdan's kin" (which would indicate an older Cirdan), for instance. This all leads me to believe that although he may have awoken at Cuivienen, he was certainly not one of the unbegotten.
also:
But The first elves, the "unbegotten" or whatever where as old as Ea itself, as were the fathers of men that first awoke in hildorean.
May I inform where you read that all Elves at Cuivienen existed immediately after the creation of Ea (or Arda for that matter)? I am very curious to your source since I have nowhere read that the Elves at the Water of Awakening immediately existed along with the entering of the Ainur into Ea.
Cheers
"In those days the Noldor still roamed the Hither Lands, Mightiest among the Children of Iluvatar, fair and tall and their beautiful voices were still heard by mere mortals"</p>
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