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Old 03-28-2003, 04:00 PM   #16
Legolas
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Wether or not Sauron is the master of the ring does not matter.
Yes, I'm sorry. It matters a great deal. It's part of him.

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There are those that can, possesing the ring, turn it to their will and destroy Sauron.
No. Absolutely not. They don't/can't bend the Ring to their will etnirely - else it would not corrupt them like we know it eventually would. Gandalf could destroy Sauron, but he could not control the Ring. If he could have, he would've obviously taken it straight to Mount Doom. Read on.

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(wether or not it would decrease in power or continue to have any power at all has never been stated by tolkien or chris tolkien and therefore cannot be determined).
No. Absolutely not. Did you not read my post? Tolkien said that even with the death of Sauron, the Ring and all of its works would endure. It would continue to have power - as much power as ever. He said that even with Gandalf as Ring-lord the Ring would still control him, forcing him to make good seem detestable as evil. In any case with a bearer and the Ring, the Ring would be the master (with the sole exception of Sauron bearing the Ring himself, as it is an extension of his spirit).

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the destruction of Sauron without the destruction of the ring is definetly possible although the destroyer would him/herself be corrupted in the process.
The ring-bearer would be corrupted, but not necessarily the person who killed Sauron. The Last Alliance made this point, though: Sauron's body could be killed. However, without the destruction of the Ring, he would be able to build up enough strength to return. Had Gandalf killed him but not used/destroyed the Ring (or if the Ring went unused), it is not totally certain that Sauron would not come back again and again.

'Council of Elrond':

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'Alas, no,' said Elrond. 'We cannot use the Ruling Ring. That we now know too well. It belongs to Sauron and was made by him alone, and is altogether evil. Its strength, Boromir, is too great for anyone to wield at will, save only those who have already a great power of their own. But for them it holds an even deadlier peril. The very desire of it corrupts the heart. Consider Saruman. If any of the Wise should with this Ring overthrow the Lord of Mordor, using his own arts, he would then set himself on Sauron's throne, and yet another Dark Lord would appear. And that is another reason why the Ring should be destroyed: as long as it is in the world it will be a danger even to the Wise.
Thus if one was able to defy the Ring's will, they would not be corrupted by it, as that was part of its will.

I recommend you read up a little, chief.

[ March 28, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]
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