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Old 11-19-2004, 04:05 AM   #43
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Going back to what davem said a few days (and lots of posts) ago, re Frodo's internal struggle.

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in the book we can see it coming, because we've seen Frodo's inner battle going on & he himself coming more & more under the influence of the desires the Ring symbolises. In the movie, the Ring is simply an external force, so we don't get the sense of Frodo surrendering to something he wants, just of him being overwhelmed by something external to himself.
Hang on, we do see his internal feelings. One of jackson's great skills is the ability to convey complex themes very simply. We see Frodo's internal desire for the ring in TT where he is laying on the ground and lovingly 'caressing' the ring with his fingers. One quick movie shot conveying his real desire (and love?) for the ring.

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When i read the book, I know that on some level Frodo has said 'Yes!' to what the Ring offers, that some part of him has consented to it.
We all know there have been numerous threads on Frodo's struggle on this site. Just one point, I see Frodo's struggle superbly explained by Tolkien where Frodo says to Sam in Mordor
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'But you must understand. It is my burden, and no one else can bear it. It is too late now, Sam dear. You can't help me in that way again. I am almost in its power now. I could not give it up, and if you tried to take it I should go mad.
This shows Frodo's understanding that he couldn't give the Ring up. We see here that he is without hope, BUT HE STILL CARRIES ON. Not neccesarily because he has fallen into Sin by wanting the Ring, but because it has forced itself on him, and he is under its power, helpless and 'alone in the dark'.

The last part of frodo's line above (if you tried to take it I should go mad) also has major resonance for me. Frodo is finally 'outwouldly' happy when the Ring is destroyed, but we must remember he did not give it up (as Bilbo did). It was forced from him and then destoryed (by accident not free will). This happens in both movie and book (but slightly differently). We also see Frodo's struggle afterwards in the movie with the BRILLIANT monolouge Frodo gives us in Bag End. It still brings a tear to my eye when this scene arrives. I feel so melancholy, as I do near the end of the books, and I thank Boyens, Walsh and Jackson for this scene, maybe above ALL others in the films.
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