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Old 12-12-2004, 09:03 PM   #17
Aiwendil
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Maedhros wrote:
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Can you imagine the anguish that Húrin would feel when he actually was given the Dragon-Helm that belonged to his son, for him to actually take it would surely motivate him even further to his desire to have vengeance upon Thingol.
It would make a good story, I agree. But that's irrelevant.

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The question would be how would the Dragon-Helm come to be in Brethil? My answer would be I really don't know. You could ask also, How did the great Axe of Tuor, father of Eärendil; and the Bow of Bregor of the House of Bëor came to Númenor?
The Bow of Bregor, we may very well suppose, was preserved by the folk of Beor that fled Dorthonion and was either kept in Dor-lomin or brought to Sirion's mouths. The Axe of Tuor was surely brought by Tuor out of Gondolin and kept at the Mouths of Sirion. In neither case is there any reason to doubt that the artifact would have been able to be passed down to Numenor. But if the Dragon-helm's history was not extended past Amon Rudh in the Narn, there would be a very good reason to wonder how it possibly could have ended up in Brethil.

But that point is quite moot, as we all seem to agree that the Narn can be altered so that the Dragon-helm survives. In this case, there is no mystery whatsoever about how it came to Brethil: Turin brought it there.

The greater problem by far is Wanderings.

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Our note as noted in this thread is older than our Wanderings of Húrin narrative, in that the Dragon-Helm was to be given to Húrin by a friendlier ruler in Brethil. As the story comes out, it is not something that the actual ruler of Brethil would have done, but does that makes the assumption that Húrin was given the Dragon-Helm not valid?
I certainly think it makes the note invalid for our purposes. One could fabricate a story about Hurin receiving the Helm, but it would be an invention. The old story was that the lord of Brethil gives the Helm to him, and that story is directly contradicted by Wanderings.
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