[Ainaserkewen]

Lordy, where's the Professor when we need him to answer such dire questions. And for the record, this is not sarcasm. Just imagine how easy it would be if no speculation was needed and the original mind were there to give us the answers. I suppose if this were true then this thread, not to mention this site, would not exist.

I too am weary of the ideas presented in this thread. My question is Why? Why would orcs think to do these things if they altogether had no record of doing them before. One of the basic rules of fantasy stories is that nothing can be different if there is no change (relevant or not). Yes, the orcs did capture and torture many elves and men, they hated them, despised them, were jealous and wanted revenge. These feelings were also shared against their maker and masters. The orcs are altogether ruined and evil. Perhaps the answer also lies with your own personal perception of Evil, which circles around my mind every time I post in these kinds of threads. Evil has shreds of humanity yes, or is it humanity? Is evil altogether NOT human and only a twisted variation? Again, it's up to the reader. I don't believe there is any reference or hinting of such a human indecency against Celebrian, but others would see what I cannot.

It just goes to show you how different one mortal mind is from the other.