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John Rhys-Davies how does one comment on a person's acting ability if the only thing one is shown is his character being a prat and a laughing stock? Too many lame comic-relief moments didn't allow JRD to to demonstrate his good acting skills. Plus, ill decision to use a scottish accent!
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John Noble again, how do you comment on acting skills when the whole characterisation is so bad?? Fair enough it wasn't his fault, but "overacting" is a word that springs to mind when I think of him.
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I'd like to know how does their portrayal have anything to do with their acting skills? As you said, their characterization isn't their fault, it's the writers/director, but in both Noble and Davies you seem to say that just because they were portrayed wrong that that effects their acting. If Jackson intended Denethor to appear absurd, spiteful, horrible father, incompitent Steward, then I think Noble did a hell of a job. If Gimli was supposed to be made into a laughing stalk, then he did a hell of a job (I was even laughing, especially at the lines "He's got my axe imbedded into his nervous system!" and "That still only counts as one!") I do think the scottish accent was...uhhh...not a great fit.
In Noble's case, I don't see how he overacted (and he could have, it just must be an opinion). Take the first Romeo and Juliet (I believe it was 1936) the actress who played Juliet, that was her first movie, all other things she did was on stage, now that was overacting, and it did effect the movie. I didn't see that quality in Denethor, he came out exactly as I think Jackson was intending, a hateful, incompetent, down right scum.
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Imladris, ok you got me, for most the movie he was a blacksmith, but by the end he was a pirate
. True, Paris really wasn't a classification of a "warrior." I did like that movie though, I love Bean, Pitt, O' Toole (good to see him back), and Bana.