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Old 01-28-2005, 06:08 PM   #21
Sophia the Thunder Mistress
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A momentous statement to make around here...

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Well, the cause might have, but could it still be said to be their cause? Wouldn't they have deserted the cause by employing the enemy's tactics. Effectively Eru's cause would have no-one to support it. In short, I think Tolkien is wrong. He's effectively saying the end justifies the means, when in fact the 'end' is always determined by the means used.
But davem, daring statement or not, I completely agree with what you've said in this post.

Regardless of the real-world complexity that Lalwende and the phantom are doing a good job discussing, things are much simpler in Middle-Earth, for one reason: Sauron is utterly corrupt and indisputably evil. He isn't a misguided leader, or even insane. He longs for the destruction of goodness itself.

It goes against the very idea that drives the Council of Elrond to send the Ring to Mordor to say that the defenders of Good can use Sauron's tools against him.

That is to say, unless these orcs were radically redeemed and reformed. But that's a topic for another thread...

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