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Celebrian · 02-20-2005, 01:54 PM

1) Reply: To answer Bethberry's charge of ad hominem, I say that I am sorry to any human, elf, or hobbit participating in the thread who may have thought my remarks were not generic.

edit: Perhaps I should rephrase to say something like, "limited to the experience of the reader", to show agreement with Saucepan Man. Still learning.

2) Comment: Rape could be the crime of having sexual intercourse with a woman or girl forcibly and without consent, or the act of seizing and carrying away by force (such as the Silmarils) , the plundering or violent destruction (of a city, etc.) as in warfare, or any outrageous assault or flagrant violation. (Webster's NWD)

3) A Conclusion: Tolkien does not answer Gorthaur's specific question, and therefore to assume rape is still speculative.

02-20-2005, 01:54 PM	#67
Celebrian Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: First Homely House, Rivendell, Eriador Posts: 93	1) Reply: To answer Bethberry's charge of ad hominem, I say that I am sorry to any human, elf, or hobbit participating in the thread who may have thought my remarks were not generic. edit: Perhaps I should rephrase to say something like, "limited to the experience of the reader", to show agreement with Saucepan Man. Still learning. 2) Comment: Rape could be the crime of having sexual intercourse with a woman or girl forcibly and without consent, or the act of seizing and carrying away by force (such as the Silmarils) , the plundering or violent destruction (of a city, etc.) as in warfare, or any outrageous assault or flagrant violation. (Webster's NWD) 3) A Conclusion: Tolkien does not answer Gorthaur's specific question, and therefore to assume rape is still speculative. Last edited by Celebrian; 02-20-2005 at 03:41 PM.