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narfforc · 03-26-2005, 08:15 AM

Thanks for that Davem. The thing I find strange is that when Luthien shows forth her power (Is it Elven, Maia or Hybrid). She defeats the mighty Sauron and sends the even more powerful Morgoth to sleep. I dont think any of the mighty elf-lords had such power, therefore Luthien was using something stronger than elf-magic for the want of a better word. If she chose to be Maia then she would not end up in the Halls of Mandos, but would be free to roam as her mother does, the Gardens of Lorien. If she chose to be an elf or of man, then to the Halls of Mandos she would go, as no doubt she did. So in that way the fea are different. All (non Ainur) are of the body of Arda, but the spirits come from The Flame Imperishable and their fates are sundered. None of The Ainur have died, their bodies may be destroyed, but Morgoth, Sauron and probably Saruman still exist outside, in the void. The spirits of Men, Elves and dwarves are treated differently, I may be wrong, but I do not know of any Maia dying and going to Mandos, where are The Valaraukar?.

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03-26-2005, 08:15 AM	#3
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	Thanks for that Davem. The thing I find strange is that when Luthien shows forth her power (Is it Elven, Maia or Hybrid). She defeats the mighty Sauron and sends the even more powerful Morgoth to sleep. I dont think any of the mighty elf-lords had such power, therefore Luthien was using something stronger than elf-magic for the want of a better word. If she chose to be Maia then she would not end up in the Halls of Mandos, but would be free to roam as her mother does, the Gardens of Lorien. If she chose to be an elf or of man, then to the Halls of Mandos she would go, as no doubt she did. So in that way the fea are different. All (non Ainur) are of the body of Arda, but the spirits come from The Flame Imperishable and their fates are sundered. None of The Ainur have died, their bodies may be destroyed, but Morgoth, Sauron and probably Saruman still exist outside, in the void. The spirits of Men, Elves and dwarves are treated differently, I may be wrong, but I do not know of any Maia dying and going to Mandos, where are The Valaraukar?. SEE YOU IN BRUM.