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Old 03-26-2005, 08:57 AM   #4
davem
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Originally Posted by Narfforc
If she chose to be an elf or of man, then to the Halls of Mandos she would go, as no doubt she did. So in that way the fea are different. All (non Ainur) are of the body of Arda, but the spirits come from The Flame Imperishable and their fates are sundered.
I suppose this is it - the nature of the union of spirit & matter. In Men the union must be broken at some point, in Elves is can never be broken while Arda lasts, in Valar/Maiar it is optional. But none of this means that the fea is different, only the nature of its union with the hroa.

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If she chose to be an elf or of man, then to the Halls of Mandos she would go, as no doubt she did. So in that way the fea are different.
Certainly their destiny is different, but is their essence? But even then we know from Morgoth's fate that spending time in Mandos was not impossible for Ainur, it just tended not to happen to the others as they generally towed the party line sufficiently not to get thrown in the jug.


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something stronger than elf-magic for the want of a better word.
Perhaps this 'power' has its source in the sana - ok, I don't know what I'm talking about here, as I've only read Osanwe Kenta properly once & skimmed iot a couple of times, but that's the only other possibility I can concieve for Luthien's power - its certainly not physical in origin, & I'm not sure it can be classed as 'spiritual' either. This leaves me with the possibility that magical power has a 'mental' source & origin.

So, Luthien's mind/will is the source of her power over Morgoth.......???????

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