[Ainaserkewen]

Toss stamina out. Any respectable warrior would have enough stamina to do a duel.

Ah, but we're not discussing normal warriors are we. My point on stamina is that I'd bet that a one on one would be that much more evenly matched. Fights are longer if no-one has the upper hand, right? I'm not a fencer, or anything like that, I would just imagine that if say two great warriors fought each other, neither would back down and both would be good enough to avoid death longer than normal people.

Why would you say this? I thought that the men of Numenor were known for their size and strength. Turin was possibly the strongest being ever, and he was a man.

Yes, you are right, and I did not take this into account. I was merely sliming the candidates list by eliminating most men. Most men, after all, have no special anything, especially if they don't have the motivation or hope.

I'd say that it's Dwarves that would come up short on agility. And I remember a quote in the Sil that said that Turin grew to be as agile as any elf, so it's not as if elves own this category.

It's hard to say if Dwarves are agile or not...I've never heard anyone say they were or weren't. But they are famed fighters so I made the assumption that they are. Turin was not a normal man, and my points, like I said, were just meant to slim the piles a little. Turin was amazing and definately a strong contender, man or no.

I don't think so. First, think of how physically imposing the balrog was. Second, think about how Gandalf fought him.

Yes, but it did kill him, and the only reason he came out of that was because of his "powers" if I may use that word.

I seem to remember Pippin noting his strength when Gandalf lifted Faramir out of the pyre as if he weighed nothing.

Compared to Pippin, definately. But in the description of Wizards it clearly states that they were old men for a reason, meaning that indeed though their hearts were strong, that their bodies were weak.

I imagine Aragorn would paste Gimli and beat down Legolas. Elrond- I wouldn't know. Aragorn's pretty awesome, but it'd really be tough to bet against big E.

It's hard to say really, for Legolas and Gimli at least because for Aragorn to summon enough of his personal strength in order to beat them, he'd have to have good motivation. That's Aragorn's strength, his hope and his heart. However, if he was simply told to try and kill Legolas for example, I think his human heart would be overpowered by Legolas's elven powers of skill and concentration.

Good post, my good Lord, I love these kind of debates. I hope you post again and point out any faults in this post.

And has anyone played the trading card game? What warrior card (or whatever they're called) is the strongest?