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Originally Posted by Elianna

Obi-wan Kenobi: "Who's the more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?" I think it's the first fool, because he makes up the crazy idea, believes it, and then looks for followers, whereas the other fool only believes the idea.

Obi who? And I assume that the other elves were 'just following orders...' It must be that I'm a big believer in personal responsibility.

Yeah, Faramir did just say LotR, sorry.

Actually, I didn't see that either, so that one's a tie.

uhhhh....no? Why would I do that when they're doing the best they can?

I just have a thing for the underdog. Like when Fingolfin went after Morgoth...that was surely something. And I don't have a thing for 'best that they can.' Sounds like bureaucracy/mediocrity to me.

Like the Silmarils with that huge war fought over them? Like the palantiri, which were a leading cause for the brekaing up of Arnor, and Saruman's and Denethor's falls?

I assume then that we need to fault Iluvatar as he created Melkor? He also created Arda, so if I were Denethor I know who I'd have my lawyers chasing. Think what havoc was caused by Melian's child and subsequent descendents.

To my recollection, his father thought he hung the Moon, and his mom only left after he was grown.

Sorry, but that was meant jokingly. On the other hand, as you stated regarding his parents, Feanor got too much attention, and that (1) adversely affects children (various pampered celebrities come to mind), (2) obviously made Feanor go out and create all of that evil stuff to compensate for too much attention, (3) also made him lead all of those elves into genocide/kinslaying as I assume the other elves had bad parents and (4) eventually caused the immolation of Denethor. Bad parents, bad parents!

All tongue in cheek, of course. Cheers.