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bilbo_baggins · 05-04-2005, 07:15 PM

Welcome to the downs, Felagund. I see that you are a new poster.

I will have to disagree, Felagund. For one thing, the Numenoreans under the mountain have been cursed by Isildur, and that is something like casting a spell. Secondly, the words that Gandalf quotes in the Council were certainly not just some sort of Virtue; it must have been a black magic. Thirdly, how do you account for Morgoth and Sauron, etc. having magic-like powers if they certainly don't have Virtue?

There has to be a certain inalienable magic in Middle-Earth. I admit, it doesn't play as prevalent a role as it does in other movies and stories, but there must certainly have been a magic of some kind.

Perhaps I didn't quite understand you're meaning of 'Virtue', though.

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05-04-2005, 07:15 PM	#2
bilbo_baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In my front hallway, grabbing my staff, about to head out my door Posts: 275	Welcome to the downs, Felagund. I see that you are a new poster. I will have to disagree, Felagund. For one thing, the Numenoreans under the mountain have been cursed by Isildur, and that is something like casting a spell. Secondly, the words that Gandalf quotes in the Council were certainly not just some sort of Virtue; it must have been a black magic. Thirdly, how do you account for Morgoth and Sauron, etc. having magic-like powers if they certainly don't have Virtue? There has to be a certain inalienable magic in Middle-Earth. I admit, it doesn't play as prevalent a role as it does in other movies and stories, but there must certainly have been a magic of some kind. Perhaps I didn't quite understand you're meaning of 'Virtue', though. b_b __________________ "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow, and with more knowledge comes more grief."