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***Mithadan*** · 07-20-2001, 06:56 AM

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Re: Of Bombadillos and Balrogs

Welcome to the Downs Impmog!

Bombadil is not Iluvatar. In Letters, JRRT specifically states that Iluvatar has not entered Arda. HoME X leaves the door open for Iluvatar entering Arda at the end of the world.

Re: Maiar and their ability to travel in a "magical" fashion, see the thread "One hand tied behind their backs" which discusses the abilities of Maiar and how their powers are restricted when they are incarnated in a body. While the Valar/Maiar would not need wings to fly or travel "magically" when they are not incarnated, once they have a body they use more mundane methods of travel. Thus the Istari arrive in ME by ship; they do not fly over or "materialize". Without crossing swords on the issue of whether Balrogs have wings, if they can fly they would need wings (or an airplane, etc.) because they possess bodies.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000004>Mithadan </A> at: 7/20/01 8:58:34 am

07-20-2001, 06:56 AM	#13
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,393	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist Posts: 931</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Of Bombadillos and Balrogs Welcome to the Downs Impmog! Bombadil is not Iluvatar. In Letters, JRRT specifically states that Iluvatar has not entered Arda. HoME X leaves the door open for Iluvatar entering Arda at the end of the world. Re: Maiar and their ability to travel in a "magical" fashion, see the thread "One hand tied behind their backs" which discusses the abilities of Maiar and how their powers are restricted when they are incarnated in a body. While the Valar/Maiar would not need wings to fly or travel "magically" when they are not incarnated, once they have a body they use more mundane methods of travel. Thus the Istari arrive in ME by ship; they do not fly over or "materialize". Without crossing swords on the issue of whether Balrogs have wings, if they can fly they would need wings (or an airplane, etc.) because they possess bodies. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000004>Mithadan </A> at: 7/20/01 8:58:34 am __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.