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Old 08-08-2003, 04:14 AM   #11
Gwaihir the Windlord
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Nils -- what statement is that?? It is not applicable to any of the things you mentioned, let alone the star of Earendil. The stars, the Sun and the Moon were made by the Valar. Not all at the beginning, either. You seem to have got your facts wrong -- perhaps you are referring to an early source? Although his command and his Flame Imperishable rang through it, nothing in Ea was directly created by Illuvatar except the Eruhini.

There is a major red star described in the Sil; Carnil, made by Varda in her great labour for the Elves.

I agree, I think that this star is connected -- abstractly or otherwise -- with either the Eye or Mount Doom somehow. Obviously, Gorwingell, the Eye could not normally be seen from Eriador [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]; if Frodo was indeed seeing the glare of Barad-dur or of Orodruin from his window, it would have been either a sense of premonition or a channel opened to his vision by the Ring. I don't think it was, though. Its position was wrong for a start -- the South, from Frodo's window, was out to sea somewhere. He would have had to sight much more Eastward to have actually been looking to Mordor.

Therefore I think that the red star was most probably suggestive, rather than a vision of the actual Eye of Sauron or Crack of Doom; an allusion to Astrology, perhaps? In other words, I think it really was just a red star -- Mars, perhaps, or Carnil or some other -- but that it was, as you say, premonitive of the red light in the South that Frodo would be drawn to.
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