[The Only Real Estel]

Now it's time to answer tp's lengthy post about Sauce & I being in league together. (all quotes will be coming from tp unless posted otherwise)

Estel defended Saucy-
I think that this can surely be written off as jest-Kuru and Phantom have hardly been trustworthy figures in two past occasions (that I can’t name more fully because past villages aren’t supposed to be referenced ). A hard look at the beginning can really be no more than jest in my opinion.

Of course I defended him, I laughed at it because I was under the impression that it was a joke & shouldn't be used as evidence against him (especially not in that stage of the game!).

Estel agreed with Saucy-
As far as votes go I will say that I am leaning toward's Saucepan's theory

Because it sounded like the best one out there - remember this is still at an early stage.

Saucy agreed with Estel-
Although I also agree with The Only Real Estel on this

Because what I said was true. We were both talking about you - does that mean that all three of us are wolves?

Also, Saucy used this argument several times in order to make Estel look innocent-
The remaining person to vote for Evisse was The Only Real Estel. But he voted at a time when he could have acheived a double-lynching (the phantom and Evisse). So, unless the phantom is a Werewolf, that speaks in his favour.

My response to that- why would a wolf favor a double lynching? If you recall, we wolves in the last town (Spawn, Nim, and I) had a double lynching handed to us but we refused to take it. Why? Because it is better to keep a likely-to-get-lynched person alive for one more day to lynch them then because it gives you an extra night to kill.

Although I appreciated the defense I also saw that it might be a bit of a stretch - it would take a bold wolf to try such a plan. Still, that could be used later by the wolf as evidence that he tried the duece in good faith, you never know.
Funny you mention this quote, though, because I thought it a bit of a stretch & already suspected both you, phantom & Saucey; and wondered if SpM was trying to set me up so that if you ever got lynched (and turned up a wolf), he could pull this quote out & lead a mob towards me. This way he could at least get one innocent villager out of losing his partner.

And what about Estel's Saucy-phantom-SoN theory? He included Saucy on there in case Saucy got lynched (it would make Estel look innocent). But he purposefully grouped Saucy with SoN and I since it was possible that either SoN or I would be lynched. You see, he tied two people who he knew to be innocent to Saucy so that when SoN or I got lynched and proven innocent it would make Saucy look innocent, too. Very clever. That is exactly what I would do if I was a wolf

Interesting theory. But it doesn't have much evidence behind it. You could take almost any unsuspecting villager and weave him or her in a web such as this.

In addition, Estel continues to "suspect" Saucy all the way until the end of the day, but votes for SoN instead. Is this pattern going to continue- always suspecting Saucy but never actually voting for him?

Because SoN had the majority of the votes, Sauce was not going anyway, &, most importantly, I suspected SoN as much as I did Saucey (hmm, I've had to post something like this at least three times by now, I think). Unless I hear a whole lot of evidence to Sauce's innocence (and I doubt I'll hear anything to change my mind), I will be voting for Sauce tonight. Or will you say that my vote is just to seperate us as well?

Also, look at the opinions of those who have died
SoN was suspicious of Estel-
I think we ought to hang ++The Only Real Estel. I'd be foolish to try and explain the decision beyond saying that his posts don't sit right with me and I don't know why. Only time'll tell if I'm right.
SoN was suspicious of Saucy too-
A sinister possibility has been growing in my mind, though: that both The Saucepan Man and Fordim Hedgethistle are werewolves

SoN based his day one accusation on a gut feeling, as far as I know he never mentioned me again, seemingly backing off his original vote. Hmm, SoN suspected Sauce & Fordim, so that must mean that Sauce & Estel are working together! I see you're logic...no wait, I don't. Btw, SoN was suspicious of phantom also, here it is in his own words:

Originally posted by SoN:

I suppose my fate is sealed, but I still suspect ++the phantom more than I do myself.

Suspecting phantom more than he does himself is not saying much, that would go for everybody. Voting for phantom is saying something, especially if you're using votes as concretly as tp has tried to do with SoN's 'no evidence, but a gut feeling' vote of me.

There! I've made my case for Saucy and Estel!

Yes, and you've also heightened my suspicions of you.

I am glad to see that you are making an effort to back up your theory by using quotes, etc.; but they are tied together by so flimsy a string that it looks like an escape plan to me.

edit: coming later (aroudn 9:30 central time? A defense of phantom..from me!? Also, I hope to vote...