Interesting theory Fordim...except for these:
>> "on DAY 1 they both cast meaningless votes (Holby for Az) and Shelob for an already doomed Evisse"
I voted first for Evisse...and the only person I knew
might vote the same way was Saucepan Man...how could I have voted for 'an already doomed' person if they had no votes against them? It was only after Saucepan Man and Kuru voted that the votes rolled in for Evisse...
>> "So not only are they both suddenly against the ideas, without a shred of explanation, but Shelob is now using support of the plan as a reason to lynch Evisse."
I went over this with Saucepan Man
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I still think that the 'short-list' idea is inheirently wrong, maybe it's not flawed as I first saw it to be but something about it is just not right...as to the 'seer-protection' plan I still think that the idea has some merit, clearly it doesn't work if it's first suggested in the game but I think that it, or a variation of it, could still be potentially usefull
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...secondly you said
"then ended up voting for Evisse (an innocent) on the basis of my reasoning that those supporting that proposal were to be suspected"
What I did was use your usefull list as a summary of behavours so that I could post before being dragged off...what I actually said was
"Out of all the behavious and tendencies I saw there the most suspicious to me is agreeing with what either was or will be clear to everyone (ie: the the plans are flawed) but still wishing to use them"
...I disagreed with one, and so didn't want to use it, and didn't mind the other, so didn't mind using it...Evisse disliked both but didn't mind using both...it was that behaour that I found suspicious...not the fact that she supported the idea...
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(both from previous posts of mine)
Isn't it convenient how you 'forgot' about those posts?
Now...on to TORE's plan
"This is something that still makes me leery of you. Why would any wolf leave you alive for this long? Last night I thought for sure that if you were innocent you would not survive the night, & yet here you are...I wonder."
I have had similar suspicions myself...at first Fordim drew a lot of attention, never enough to be lynched...but enough that once his innocence seemed proven people gave him little to no more real thought and turned instead upon the other 'loudmouths'...Were he a werewolf this would be wonderful--a risk well worth the reward...were he innocent then once he was thus 'proven' innocent the werewolves would likely want to get rid of him because he could only harm them (he would no longer draw attention away from them and in his death the villagers would learn nothing new because they already knew he was innocent)...
Also, looking back on it, Fordim's post saying
"At the risk of hubris I rather suspect that I might have been the beneficiary of our brave guardian's aid that night."
makes me rather nervous...When first I read it I thought that his reasoning was sound and that it makes sense...but if the werewolves had tried to kill him once it is likely they would have tried again...esp. once they got the Guardian out of the picture...but now that he has not yet died I begin to feel that the above mentioned post was meant to make us trust that the guardian had saved him...but perhaps poor Firefoot had saved another and a werewolf was trying to buy another point of innocence (for clearly the Guardian could neither dispute nor confirm this assumption with out announcing themselves to theworld and to the werewolves)
And Fordim was not the only one to make this assumption...Mormegil, innocent Mormegil, said:
"I honestly feel that I was saved by the guardian last night. I say this because who else has been as vocal as I against those who are most suspicious."
This reasoning makes as much sense as Fordim's does and has since been supported by Mormegil's rather gruesome death...
I feel that I had more to say...but I got called off to clean the kitchen and can't remember now...oh well, you'll hear of it when I think of it...