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Tinuviel87 · 05-15-2003, 02:28 PM

Just to be my usual ambivilent self...
I agree with Mark in the aspect of Pippin being a 'tool of God'- to a certain degree.I don't believe, however, that Pippin simpler actions, like throwing the stone, can really be compared on such a level to Frodo and his quest to destroy the ring. Frodo was mostly aware of what he was getting himself into, eventually if not right away. Pippin was just, well, being Pippin, he didn't know the effect the stone or the palantir would have, while Frodo knew what the Ring was and what is was capable of and he knew the doom it would likely bring him.
Also, I love Kalimac's concept of Pippin's sixth sense, but I don't necessarily agree with it. It's my guess that Pippin was simply behaving on his michevious instinct, and fate took care of the rest. In cases like giving his service to Denethor and throwing the brooch, Pippin was becoming more...useful in his decisions, but either way he remains impulsive, even to the end of the book, which is what I think Tolkien meant when he said that M&P reamined "unchanged". Obviously they were changed in some way, how could they not be. I think it is meant to be taken as that they still maintained their Hobbitsh personailites and the stronger traits they had even in the beginning.

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05-15-2003, 02:28 PM	#26
Tinuviel87 Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Heelllloooo Monkey...... Posts: 65	Just to be my usual ambivilent self... I agree with Mark in the aspect of Pippin being a 'tool of God'- to a certain degree.I don't believe, however, that Pippin simpler actions, like throwing the stone, can really be compared on such a level to Frodo and his quest to destroy the ring. Frodo was mostly aware of what he was getting himself into, eventually if not right away. Pippin was just, well, being Pippin, he didn't know the effect the stone or the palantir would have, while Frodo knew what the Ring was and what is was capable of and he knew the doom it would likely bring him. Also, I love Kalimac's concept of Pippin's sixth sense, but I don't necessarily agree with it. It's my guess that Pippin was simply behaving on his michevious instinct, and fate took care of the rest. In cases like giving his service to Denethor and throwing the brooch, Pippin was becoming more...useful in his decisions, but either way he remains impulsive, even to the end of the book, which is what I think Tolkien meant when he said that M&P reamined "unchanged". Obviously they were changed in some way, how could they not be. I think it is meant to be taken as that they still maintained their Hobbitsh personailites and the stronger traits they had even in the beginning. [ May 15, 2003: Message edited by: Tinuviel87 ] __________________ Don't Rate Me!(Reverse Psychology?) "And the song of Luthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed..."