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Originally Posted by Kitanna
This thread makes me think of little old Bilbo Baggins. He was the only one in the history of the Ring to actually give it up and not have it taken by force or it slipping from his finger and betraying him. And the only reason he gave it up was because of Gandalf.
So would it have been destroyed if Gollum had not fought Frodo for it? I highly doubt it. Sam could never kill Frodo and the Ring had too much of a hold on Frodo for him to even reconsider his choice.
However what if Gandalf had not fallen in Moria and he had gone on with the Fellowship? If he had gone on with Frodo does anyone think Gandalf could have persuaded Frodo like he had Bilbo? Afterall Frodo did not have the Ring as long as Bilbo.
Still nothing short of a sudden character change by Sam would have destroyed that Ring.
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I'm surprised that no-one picked this up. Bilbo was NOT the only one to have given up the ring. Sam wore the ring for an extended time on the borders of Mordor, and gave it back to Frodo.
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'And it hasn't failed. Not yet. I took it, Mr Frodo, begging your pardon. And I've kept it safe. It's around my neck now, and a terrible burden it is too....But I suppose you must take it back.' Now it had come to it, Sam felt reluctant to give up the Ring, and burden his master with it again.
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Sam gave it up, of his own free will, although Frodo did demand it back, and would have probably fought with all his (little) remaining strength to get it back. Now there is a case for the Ring using Sam's reluctance to burden Frodo to try to retain its control over Sam (Sam being, in my opinion being made of less stern stuff than Frodo, even with Frodo's wounds, and easier to dominate). However, it is my view that Sam gave up the Ring because he knew that it was Frodo's task. Despite his love for Frodo, and the knowledge that Frodo would be under enormous pressure from the Ring, he gave it up because he knew the task was Frodo's. Now, in Sammath Naur Sam undergoes a great shock, as he realises what Frodo has done. Frodo has already undergone transformation: his voice is filled with power, but we don't get to see or hear what Sam thought about this.
Now Sam was a simple soul. but I think that he would have been able to realise that Frodo was no longer the master he loved, and, if he had been able to locate Frodo, there is a chance that Frodo would have not been able to dominate Sam.
Sam was an indomitable spirit, but if his spirit had been crushed by Frodo's fall to the Power of the Ring I am uncertain if he would have been able to recover sufficiently to do what had to be done. Or, if he had been able to do it he would have done it and died there.
I'm not sure that I've made a point or not.