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Originally Posted by davem
LotR is the culmination of the whole Legndarium.
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But I think its obvious that Tolkien had not constructed the kind of complex social structure you're talking about for the Shire at that time - it only comes into being with LotR.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Underhill
Good thing any future davem progeny will have Lalwendë around to see that they are not so deprived!
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If we are going to discuss progeny here,
Mr. U, I suggest that we point out that among all the gods and goddesses it was only Athena who sprang forth fully developed from Numero Uno's mind. There are other varieties of procreation and development and to limit our definition to that of Athena alone is to deny the whole range of ways that, well, things happen.
Would LotR have come about, Athena like, had Tolkien not first written TH? What odds and what objective facts would prove that possibility?
Because I'm both busy this morning and a lazy git, I will copy something from another thread which I think is relevant here.
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Originally Posted by Bethberry
Many of us come to it [LotR] first for the adventure and the action, but something draws us backto LotR. Or perhaps it is our delight in hobbits that keeps us glued. Or we are entranced by the ways of the elves. Then, something grows on us, something that perhaps develops at the expense of that initial experience, but which could not be possible without that first experience. This seems to be a history for many of us, that we began reading LotR one way, but were drawn back, and came to read it other ways.
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post #158, What Breaks the Enchatment?
Because we can end up in places different from where we started out, does that mean we discount the importance of what set us out in the first place?