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***The Barrow-Wight*** · 09-18-2000, 08:03 AM

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Re: The curse of Isildur...

I don't think that this was a case of 'magic'. It was a denial into the proper channel of death. Only Eru would be able to refuse the spirits of fallen Men entry into their mysterious afterlife, but why would he do it at the insistence of Isildur on this occasion?

Though his thoughts or methods are not recorded, Isildur seems to have performed this 'curse' with no notable difficulties. He was certainly a leader of The Faithful, but was he so 'in-touch' with the Creator that he could request such a thing?

Which leads to another though.

What sets the Men of the White Mountains apart from the other traitorous Men of Middle-Earth, especially those unfaithful ones of the First Age. Elves, seemingly closer to Eru than Men (or are they just closer to the Valar?), are never reported as having asked for such a curse against Man or Elf. And they were betrayed more often than not.

All facts point to Isildur having the power of God. This is the same Isildur later slain after falling into the temptation of evil (the Ring).

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09-18-2000, 08:03 AM	#5
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,043	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wraith of Angmar Posts: 1285</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: The curse of Isildur... I don't think that this was a case of 'magic'. It was a denial into the proper channel of death. Only Eru would be able to refuse the spirits of fallen Men entry into their mysterious afterlife, but why would he do it at the insistence of Isildur on this occasion? Though his thoughts or methods are not recorded, Isildur seems to have performed this 'curse' with no notable difficulties. He was certainly a leader of The Faithful, but was he so 'in-touch' with the Creator that he could request such a thing? Which leads to another though. What sets the Men of the White Mountains apart from the other traitorous Men of Middle-Earth, especially those unfaithful ones of the First Age. Elves, seemingly closer to Eru than Men (or are they just closer to the Valar?), are never reported as having asked for such a curse against Man or Elf. And they were betrayed more often than not. All facts point to Isildur having the power of God. This is the same Isildur later slain after falling into the temptation of evil (the Ring). The Barrow-Wight (RKittle) <font size="2">I usually haunt http://www.barrowdowns.comThe Barrow-Downs</a> and The Barrow-Downs http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgiMiddle-Earth Discussion Board</a>.</p> __________________ The Barrow-Wight