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Old 09-29-2000, 01:38 PM   #20
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So here are my arguments why can not he be so old:

1 Elros, blessed by Eru and all the Valar, lived only 500 years, half orc by the state of his fea, supported only by lesser maia, also not blessed by Eru any more, exeeded that 7 times? I don’t believe that.

2.If he was so dear and useful for Sauron, that was worth prolonging (if that was possible see #1) his life, were are his deeds? what have he done during 3200 years?

3. There were lot of things which Sauron could not do, but were made by Children e.g Palantiri of the Feanor, Numenorean Stone of Erech . Numenoreans (and afterwords Gondorians) for generations were seeking the secret of life, but discovered only some methods of preserving dead. Sauron really was a professional in preserving dead, but were is evidence that life prolonging was his strong point? Only this Mouth of Sauron, wich speculatively is presumed long lived, wich is not elsewhere witnessed.

4 Mouth of Sauron had it’s own motives serving his Lord – he desired to be a tyrant of western lands. Maybe, of course, those wishes were ones of his masters, but than he would not be so emotional. and, also, the evil will, for me, means one to devour all weaker wills – so Nazgul have no individuality at all, but are mere slaves, parts of their master’s will. Mouth of Sauron ‘s individuality, which, despite his usefuleness for or affection on the part of Sauron, would be impossible to preserve during 3200 years of slavery. Sauron, as a personality of stronger will, would devour other, weaker wills around him. That’s why Nazgul perish with the ring. Mouth of Sauron shows some kind of independence, and there is no evidence that he died as soon as Sauron was destroyed. Conclusion – his service in Sauron’s ranks could not have exeeded 70 or similar years.
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