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Evisse the Blue · 09-04-2003, 02:25 PM

Right - let's see if I got this straight (if I misunderstood you at any point, Squatter, please let it be known [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]):
You seem to imply that both Arwen and Sam are a sort of 'sidekick', unidimensional characters whose only purpose in the story is to stand by the heroes (Aragorn resp Frodo), whose only actions and development serve or are in connection with the object of their affection. Perhaps you are right, in a way. This from a literary point of view. From a psychological pov, you imply they're selfish and give no thought to the other persons who play a part in their lives. You also contrast this with Legolas, whom you say acted unselfishly by staying in ME until Aragorn died. This you cannot prove - he might have had other reasons than keeping ME beautiful by the mere presence of his elvish good looks or other unselfish reason.

I am too startled to contradict you though on your main argument, because logically speaking you are right, but I feel that you are wrong.

Alright, what do we still agree on here? That the part of Arwen's departure and death is one of the most beautiful pieces of literature that graced the Tolkien written pages? Would you be willing to give this up for the sake of a more dynamic and politically-correct Arwen?

09-04-2003, 02:25 PM	#24
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Right - let's see if I got this straight (if I misunderstood you at any point, Squatter, please let it be known [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]): You seem to imply that both Arwen and Sam are a sort of 'sidekick', unidimensional characters whose only purpose in the story is to stand by the heroes (Aragorn resp Frodo), whose only actions and development serve or are in connection with the object of their affection. Perhaps you are right, in a way. This from a literary point of view. From a psychological pov, you imply they're selfish and give no thought to the other persons who play a part in their lives. You also contrast this with Legolas, whom you say acted unselfishly by staying in ME until Aragorn died. This you cannot prove - he might have had other reasons than keeping ME beautiful by the mere presence of his elvish good looks or other unselfish reason. I am too startled to contradict you though on your main argument, because logically speaking you are right, but I feel that you are wrong. Alright, what do we still agree on here? That the part of Arwen's departure and death is one of the most beautiful pieces of literature that graced the Tolkien written pages? Would you be willing to give this up for the sake of a more dynamic and politically-correct Arwen? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.