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Old 10-07-2005, 04:03 AM   #943
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Yes, elected by his predecessor as he lay dying on the Fields of Pelennor. And that's the basis for a good, working democracy, is it?
You ask the Rohirrim. They wanted the House of Eorl, and they got it. Which is more than can be said, for instance, than for the majority of Americans who apparently voted for Al Gore...

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He was, in any event, clearly not fit to lead his country, having abandoned it when it had great need of him. With his King lapsing into senile dementia, he takes off with his men on a hunting trip.
If we're following the book, this hunting trip you speak of was a desperate defence of the realm at the Fords of Isen, against an invasion mounted by...

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orcs, undoubtedly a rare species in Rohan at that time.
An army of tens of thousands and goodness knows how many Orcs labouring to supply said force isn't all that rare...


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(Note also that he was a willing accomplice to that other undemocratically appointed monarch, Aragorn, in later hunting said species to virtual, if not complete, extinction.) He also continues to neglect his duties while out hunting by allowing three mysterious strangers (one of whom was the aforementioned Aragorn) to roam at will through Rohan, despite their failure to produce any proper ID.
Ask the singing folk of Minas Tirith if they were not contented by Aragorn's election. As for the matter of Eomer not demanding ID cards, this establishes his credentials as a free-thinking individualistic libertarian opposed to the Big Brother over-paternalist state, not the tyrant you have portrayed him as.

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Later, at the Battle of Pelennor fields, he abandons his King to a potentially terrible fate at the hands of the Witch-King (no doubt, with a greedy eye to the throne). Happily, two of the remaining contestants were able to save King Theoden from such fate, although sadly not from death. Lo and behold, Eomer "mysteriously" appears after the danger has passed and coerces the dying King into handing the throne over to him.
Gross libel. If Eomer had wanted to murder his uncle, he had had plenty of opportunity in the Edoras days. Note that Eomer was simply protecting his uncle by a charge against thousands of that cuddly endangered species of yours...Theoden's bequest is a standard "verba novissima", made of free will and without provocation to a lawful heir.

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Note also Eomer's chauvenistic and overbearing nature. Despite knowing that his sister's greatest wish was to bear arms and fight for her country, he remained resolutely against her doing any such thing.
Because she would have been killed, and he loved her! Had it not been for your "undemocratically elected" Aragorn, he would have been proved right by Eowyn's tragic and needless death, pursuing a phantom love.

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He has continued to restrict her to domestic duties while on the Island.
Hardly. As her husband, Faramir has been her "protector", and treated her with kindness and equality until he was sent off by your slander...

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He is also a bully, as his behaviour towards the poor, unfairly maligned Wormtongue shows. He used his physical superiority to make the poor man's life a living hell.
Wormtongue was scarcely very emancipatory and feminist in his treatment of Eowyn. We also have a clear documentation of a past in which Wormtongue contrived Eomer's wrongful jailing, framing him for a crime similar to your own charges. You speak with Grima's slithering tongue!

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Remember how he continually taunted and ridiculed Grima while he was still on the Island? A classic example of a "popular" guy bullying the poor, misunderstood misfit. The comparison to a High School Jock, while it may be anachronistic, is far from inappropriate.
Who imprisoned who? Who abused who's sister? That's what we have to ask.

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I fail to see how anyone can support such a man.
Hardly surprising, as you've glossed over his courage, his loyalty in the face of severe provocation to his uncle, his free-spiritedness, initiative, and mastery of poetry.

Do not let this sinister heir of Wormtongue, this Orc-fondling lying word-twisting charlatan, usurp your minds, my friends, and vote for Hama, who has expressed a wish to depart rather than suffer the fall of his esteemed captain and friend.
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