[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

You ask the Rohirrim. They wanted the House of Eorl, and they got it ...

And that's been independently verified has it? At least Bush's right to govern was upheld in a court of law. Can the same be said of Eomer? I think not.

If we're following the book ...

You mean that piece of blatant propaganda peddled by Frodo and Sam, both of whom have long since been discredited and voted from the Island.

Originally Posted by Ang

... this hunting trip you speak of was a desperate defence of the realm at the Fords of Isen, against an invasion mounted by... An army of tens of thousands and goodness knows how many Orcs ...

Can you blame them after being hunted all the time by the Strawheads? At least the Dunlendings saw where the justice lie, although they were cruelly repressed by Eomer's despotic regime for their part in the uprising.

Originally Posted by Ang

Ask the singing folk of Minas Tirith if they were not contented by Aragorn's election.

So now the government gets selected by the minstrels, does it? Perhaps we should ask the likes of Robbie Williams, Madonna and Britney Spears to choose our rulers then.

As for the matter of Eomer not demanding ID cards, this establishes his credentials as a free-thinking individualistic libertarian opposed to the Big Brother over-paternalist state, not the tyrant you have portrayed him as.

Ah, but there's a world of difference between asking for some form of ID and imposing a requirement to carry ID cards. In any event, once he was in charge, Eomer's attitudes changed somewhat. Just ask the poor Dunlendings.

Originally Posted by Ang

Theoden's bequest is a standard "verba novissima", made of free will and without provocation to a lawful heir.

You were there, were you? Unfortunately, you are once again relying on the discredited Red Book of Westmarch. Never trust little (or big, for that matter) red books ...

Originally Posted by Ang

Because she would have been killed, and he loved her!

So that gave him the right to chain her to the metaphoric kitchen sink, did it? I can see that you share Eomer's Stone Age attitudes.

Originally Posted by Ang

Hardly. As her husband, Faramir has been her "protector", and treated her with kindness and equality until he was sent off by your slander...

Funny that. She looks to me to have been having a whale of a time since the Sneaky Steward departed.

Originally Posted by Ang

We also have a clear documentation of a past in which Wormtongue contrived Eomer's wrongful jailing, framing him for a crime similar to your own charges.

Admittedly, Wormtongue went off the rails. But it was under extreme provocation from Eomer and his bully-boys. A more enlightened approach would be to look at the underlying cause of his misdemeanours, rather than the misdemeanours themselves.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Indeed, let us all consider the sage counsel of Gandalf the White

Another discredited early evictee from the Island.

Originally Posted by Ang

Hardly surprising, as you've glossed over his courage, his loyalty in the face of severe provocation to his uncle, his free-spiritedness, initiative, and mastery of poetry.

Ah, the discredited "Red" book again. Filtering out the propaganda reveals him to be the craven, disloyal, tyrannical, close-minded and illiterate bully that he really was.

You see. It's all about thinking outside the box.

Originally Posted by Ang

Orc-fondling

Much as I sympathise with the poor, misunderstood blighters, I most certainly do not indulge in cross-species petting. You shall shortly be hearing from my lawyers.

Originally Posted by Boro

Anyway, I'll probably vote for Hama today, afterall he really does nothing, and of all things he listens to Gandalf, that's gotta be the worst.

Ah, but at least he had the guts to stand up to Aragorn. Unlike the craven Eomer, who let him roam at will throughout Rohan to cause untold mischief. I urge you to think again, Boro. This could be our last chance to rid the Island of the Forgoil pretty-boy.