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I think we are missing what Kuru is actually saying. He, if I understand it correctly, is not saying that the dead of the team that wins are not winners themselves but that it is the ultimate responsibility of those who remain to win the game. Past sacrifices however noble of nefarious are not any worth unless the remainder of the team is victorious. Therefore, again, it is up to the living to win and past events while helpful do not ultimately win the game, the decision of the remaining does.
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Leave it to mormegil.
(Trying one last time) To me, the decisive point is the very end. That is where victory or defeat is decided. The contributions of the players on both sides who were killed have led the game up to that point, but up until somebody wins anything could happen. Now admittedly, there are times when the result is a foregone conclusion a DAY or so before the end, but it is still the responsibility of the survivors (of whichever side) to refrain from screwing everything up.
The best games are the ones where there is all kinds of dramatic tension at the end (all the games I've played have been like this...
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EDIT: When are our roles going to be sent to us?
DOUBLE EDIT: I personally wouldn't have any problem with Thenamir joining at the last moment. It is just that after the roles have been sent out there should be no new enrollment. But that is just me, and possibly irrelevant to the discussion.