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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne
Well for one I don't agree with your analesys of collectivism. I see at as a system of ownership and control of the means of production and distribution by the people collectively. So it is a mather of who owns what and all of the top evil persons is as LMP says despots and there way of governing really has nothing to do with collectivism.
The orcs may be symbol to the masses in such a system, but that depends on Tolkiens view on collectivism. (By my view it could not be further from the truth)Some people think that people are turned into mindless slaves in collectivism, I don't.
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True, it doesn't have to be that way. The critical issue in the real world is that where a collectivist system is put in place, someone must be appointed (whether by the collective or by oneself or one's supporters) to the role of caretaker of the system, since the collective itself needs some form of administration. Even Democratic socialism places the administration in the hands of a small group of administrators. The potential for corruption in a democratic form of collectivism is the least, but still there; when a small group of people is given the power to appoint an administrator, it gets worse. And when one individual appoints himself, by force, to be that administrator, that is of course despotism, and the form that wreaked the most havoc upon the world during the 20th century in the persons of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and a host of African, Asian, and Central American and South American despots.
As for Tolkien, he preferred monarchy to democracy, and distrusted any system that was even newer than democracy, including collectivism, because he didn't trust the will of the people to rise above the lowest common denominator.