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Old 12-30-2005, 01:16 AM   #4
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First, I make no claim to be a language master.

You would use lie in this instance.

lie - to occupy a position or place

adún for 'west' is not Sindarin. In Sindarin, we are given annún and dûn. As for the assertion that I mixed Quenya and Sindarin by using the word, look at what Tolkien himself wrote - Galadriel says mi oro-mardi lisse-miruvore-va Adúnë pella Vardo tellumar nu luini ("in the high-halls sweet nectar of the west beyond Varda's domes...")

Sindarin or not, if Adúnë is good enough for Galadriel's Quenya, it is good enough for mine.

As you say, a stand-alone 'g' is out of place in Quenya, but it is apparently present in earlier elvish speech - gaya is not Sindarin, but from the older elvish that Quenya and Sindarin derived.

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The first name was evidently adopted in the form Ossai, which became naturally Q Osse. In S Ossai would become ossi > ussi > yssi to which the ending (of male names) -on was added; or else the adjective *gaira 'awful, fearful' was prefixed, producing Gaerys. The latter was more often used by the inland Teleri. *gaira is from *gay- 'astound, make aghast', which was also used in the oldest Eldarin word for the Sea: *gayar, Q ear, S gaear.
We can make guesses at a word from that passage, but at the time, I was avoiding guesses. [This leads to the obvious point of difficultly in 'saying' things in elvish languages - we don't have even close to a complete vocabulary list.]

But since, I have found the Quenya form.

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45. Quenya aika was derived from a Common Eldarin stem GAYA 'awe, dread'; but the adjectival form *gayaka from which aika descended was not preserved in Telerin or Sindarin. Other derivatives were *gaya 'terror, great fear': Telerin gaia, Sindarin goe, Quenya aya. Adjectives formed on this, Telerin gaiala, Sindarin goeol, replaced Quenya aika. In a name of this sort in Sindarin the noun would most naturally have been used, producing goenaur > Goenor. Also *Gayar- 'the Terrifier', the name made for the Sea, the vast and terrifying Great Sea of the West, when the Eldar first came to its shores: Quenya Ear, Earen, Telerin gaiar; Sindarin gaear, gae(a)ron, Belegaer. This word is also found in the Quenya name Earendil, the mariner (sea-lover); see p. 348.
Simply drop the g for the word in Quenya - aya.

mi Adúnë caita ilyë aya
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