Raynor: You got me...I totally forgot about that. Kudos!
Lalwende:
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If these Goblins are indeed Orcs, then it interests me that they seem to have some independence and have developed their own realm. But then I remember in LotR Gorbag and Shagrat discuss possible 'retirement', so maybe lifelong (eternal?) service to whichever Dark Lord is currently holding half of Middle-earth in his thrall is not necessarily a given thing for Orcs?
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Interesting...when Morgoth twisted the elves into orcs were they yet capable of any virtuous feeling? Perhaps orcs and goblins are incapable of true loyalty, and can only be held by fear. If this is so, when Shagrat and Gorbag discussed retirement, was that just talking big, a sign of Sauron's weakness and indecision, or did Sauron honestly reward those who had served him for so long?
And that last I seriously doubt...