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Firefoot · 02-16-2006, 03:41 PM

First of all, let me tell you how happy I was to come home yesterday and find that you all actually could talk!!

Seriously, the discussion was nice, even if I was the topic of a lot of it (at least early on).

Several people noted that my posts seemed contradictory... that's because they were. My own opinion was in that first post; the other two plans were mostly to stimulate discussion.

For the record, here is yesterday's voting. Innocents are underlined, the second number is the order in which everyone voted:

Gandalf – 1 (Firefoot 1)
Jenny – 2 (Sleepy 2, Eonwe 4)
Elu – 1 (Valier 3)
Wilwa – 3 (Roa 5, Lommy 6, Jenny 9)
Valier – 2 (Mith 7, Folwren 10)
Eonwe – 1 (Nogrod 8)

Did not vote: Elu, Wilwa, Gandalf

In my experience, it is generally not the wolves who do not vote. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I certainly would not accuse Elu or Gandalf based on that.

Okay, now my really long analysis of yesterday. It doesn't take into account Lommy's death.

Jenny – Casts some suspicion on people based on careers; random suspicion on Eonwe, but supports Mithalwen (who hasn’t even posted yet); suggests vote for last contributor; does Day 1 “analysis” based solely on people’s careers; jumps on Mithalwen’s suspicion of me and comments about how much I seemed to contradict myself – rather vindictively; promptly backs off at Folwren’s suspicion of her; defends herself to Sleepy and advises him to be more careful; declares she is not doing any accusing or insinuating at all about Lommy or Mith; votes Wilwa for her quietness. Okay, a lot jumped out at me about her. One thing I did notice was that she seemed to be leaning on Mithalwen a bit and it occurred to me early on that there might be some kind of wolvish pairing there, made obvious by Jenny’s inexperience. She does seem rather eager to please, though it could be inexperience as people have pointed it out to be. Her vote for Wilwa is not what I would call incriminating, but it doesn’t help her stance either. Jenny is on my suspicion list.

Eonwe – a few short posts; votes for Jenny; clarifies his reasoning for his vote, that is rather flippant and flip-floppy posting. Even though not much jumped out at me in his individual posts, my overall impression of him was pretty good. He seems careful without being cautious, and did not seem particularly wolvish to me.

Sleepy Ranger – rather careless in ascribing Jenny’s strategy to me, comes down hard on Jenny and votes for her; gets rather down on himself and advises the village just to lynch him. Sleepy seems too careless to be a wolf, too joking as well. The latter part doesn’t necessarily mean anything since that’s just sort of the way he is, but he seemed rather carefree. He isn’t in the clear, but he’s not particularly suspicious to me either.

Roa – Says Jenny is hasty, supports careful evaluation; is somewhat suspicious of both Jenny and Sleepy; continued expression of her desire to see Lommy post; isn’t quite sure about Jenny and Sleepy, votes for Wilwa based mostly on her absence. Roa seems quite innocent to me. Her advice was good, and her general impressions of people seemed reasonable. She’s on my probably-innocent list. Once more, I don’t see anything particularly outstanding about the vote for Wilwa.

Valier – Talk about shoes; does not advise long, analytic posts because she says it brings suspicion; says long posts confuse her; votes for Elu at random despite the recent increased substance of posting. I don’t have much of an impression about her – she’s very… up. I’d like to see her calm down, I guess, and post some more substantial feelings, ideas, something. In the middle of the suspicion chart.

Nogrod – apparently some random suspicion; agrees some kind of plan would be good, is one of the few to actually suggest something useful in the early posting; emphasizes his point that he will be looking among the people who are too much of anything: quiet, talkative, friendly, helpful, etc.; is clearly thinking about his vote, wonders if there is anything significant about the voting thus far; votes Eonwe. Gut instinct says he is probably innocent. Nothing for sure, but I did think his vote for Eonwe was a little strange as I don’t see a whole lot suspicious about Eonwe. Even so, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.

Elu – Joking. His computer troubles were understandable, but I would still like to see much more out of him in the coming Days. I don’t really have anything to say about him.

Gandalf – Claims he is not smart at this. Yes, I voted for Gandalf, and like I said, it really was mostly random. Of the people who had posted thus far I picked one of the people who had really contributed very little. I don’t have any idea what to think about him; I’d like to hear more out of him.

Folwren – a very sensible post of some length, understands what I was trying to do and defends me, first notes Jenny’s apparent desperation; then accepts Jenny’s explanation; still talking sense in responses to others’ comments; votes Valier. I have a strong feeling about Folwren’s innocence. She responded very sensibly to people’s posts and often stated the same feelings as I was having. I’m not writing her off yet, but I don’t feel very suspicious of her at all right now.

Mithalwen – expresses some suspicion at me mostly for being rather vocal in the very early stages (someone finally provides some substance!); decides to give Jenny benefit of the doubt and eases on her suspicion of me; calls Valier’s posting frothy (I rather like this term – very appropriately descriptive); consistent with her suspicions she votes Valier for flimsiness. Mithalwen seemed very steady and consistent, which is definitely a good sign. She hasn’t said anything to send up warning signs, and except for Jenny’s apparent affinity for her, I would say she is probably innocent.

And, for the record, here's what I was going to say about Lommy:

Lommy – is suspicious of Wilwa, Valier, Sleepy, and is confused about me; votes for Wilwa somewhat randomly. Mostly, I thought she was talking sensibly and I couldn’t fault her for anything that she said. That doesn’t prove her innocence, and she’s certainly a smart one, but I don’t think she’s a wolf, even if she did vote for the now-known innocent Wilwa.

Also for the record, I will regularly be voting early like that except on weekends. I just don't get home early enough.

02-16-2006, 03:41 PM	#3
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	First of all, let me tell you how happy I was to come home yesterday and find that you all actually could talk!! Seriously, the discussion was nice, even if I was the topic of a lot of it (at least early on). Several people noted that my posts seemed contradictory... that's because they were. My own opinion was in that first post; the other two plans were mostly to stimulate discussion. For the record, here is yesterday's voting. Innocents are underlined, the second number is the order in which everyone voted: Gandalf – 1 (Firefoot 1) Jenny – 2 (Sleepy 2, Eonwe 4) Elu – 1 (Valier 3) Wilwa – 3 (Roa 5, Lommy 6, Jenny 9) Valier – 2 (Mith 7, Folwren 10) Eonwe – 1 (Nogrod 8) Did not vote: Elu, Wilwa, Gandalf In my experience, it is generally not the wolves who do not vote. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I certainly would not accuse Elu or Gandalf based on that. Okay, now my really long analysis of yesterday. It doesn't take into account Lommy's death. Jenny – Casts some suspicion on people based on careers; random suspicion on Eonwe, but supports Mithalwen (who hasn’t even posted yet); suggests vote for last contributor; does Day 1 “analysis” based solely on people’s careers; jumps on Mithalwen’s suspicion of me and comments about how much I seemed to contradict myself – rather vindictively; promptly backs off at Folwren’s suspicion of her; defends herself to Sleepy and advises him to be more careful; declares she is not doing any accusing or insinuating at all about Lommy or Mith; votes Wilwa for her quietness. Okay, a lot jumped out at me about her. One thing I did notice was that she seemed to be leaning on Mithalwen a bit and it occurred to me early on that there might be some kind of wolvish pairing there, made obvious by Jenny’s inexperience. She does seem rather eager to please, though it could be inexperience as people have pointed it out to be. Her vote for Wilwa is not what I would call incriminating, but it doesn’t help her stance either. Jenny is on my suspicion list. Eonwe – a few short posts; votes for Jenny; clarifies his reasoning for his vote, that is rather flippant and flip-floppy posting. Even though not much jumped out at me in his individual posts, my overall impression of him was pretty good. He seems careful without being cautious, and did not seem particularly wolvish to me. Sleepy Ranger – rather careless in ascribing Jenny’s strategy to me, comes down hard on Jenny and votes for her; gets rather down on himself and advises the village just to lynch him. Sleepy seems too careless to be a wolf, too joking as well. The latter part doesn’t necessarily mean anything since that’s just sort of the way he is, but he seemed rather carefree. He isn’t in the clear, but he’s not particularly suspicious to me either. Roa – Says Jenny is hasty, supports careful evaluation; is somewhat suspicious of both Jenny and Sleepy; continued expression of her desire to see Lommy post; isn’t quite sure about Jenny and Sleepy, votes for Wilwa based mostly on her absence. Roa seems quite innocent to me. Her advice was good, and her general impressions of people seemed reasonable. She’s on my probably-innocent list. Once more, I don’t see anything particularly outstanding about the vote for Wilwa. Valier – Talk about shoes; does not advise long, analytic posts because she says it brings suspicion; says long posts confuse her; votes for Elu at random despite the recent increased substance of posting. I don’t have much of an impression about her – she’s very… up. I’d like to see her calm down, I guess, and post some more substantial feelings, ideas, something. In the middle of the suspicion chart. Nogrod – apparently some random suspicion; agrees some kind of plan would be good, is one of the few to actually suggest something useful in the early posting; emphasizes his point that he will be looking among the people who are too much of anything: quiet, talkative, friendly, helpful, etc.; is clearly thinking about his vote, wonders if there is anything significant about the voting thus far; votes Eonwe. Gut instinct says he is probably innocent. Nothing for sure, but I did think his vote for Eonwe was a little strange as I don’t see a whole lot suspicious about Eonwe. Even so, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now. Elu – Joking. His computer troubles were understandable, but I would still like to see much more out of him in the coming Days. I don’t really have anything to say about him. Gandalf – Claims he is not smart at this. Yes, I voted for Gandalf, and like I said, it really was mostly random. Of the people who had posted thus far I picked one of the people who had really contributed very little. I don’t have any idea what to think about him; I’d like to hear more out of him. Folwren – a very sensible post of some length, understands what I was trying to do and defends me, first notes Jenny’s apparent desperation; then accepts Jenny’s explanation; still talking sense in responses to others’ comments; votes Valier. I have a strong feeling about Folwren’s innocence. She responded very sensibly to people’s posts and often stated the same feelings as I was having. I’m not writing her off yet, but I don’t feel very suspicious of her at all right now. Mithalwen – expresses some suspicion at me mostly for being rather vocal in the very early stages (someone finally provides some substance!); decides to give Jenny benefit of the doubt and eases on her suspicion of me; calls Valier’s posting frothy (I rather like this term – very appropriately descriptive); consistent with her suspicions she votes Valier for flimsiness. Mithalwen seemed very steady and consistent, which is definitely a good sign. She hasn’t said anything to send up warning signs, and except for Jenny’s apparent affinity for her, I would say she is probably innocent. And, for the record, here's what I was going to say about Lommy: Lommy – is suspicious of Wilwa, Valier, Sleepy, and is confused about me; votes for Wilwa somewhat randomly. Mostly, I thought she was talking sensibly and I couldn’t fault her for anything that she said. That doesn’t prove her innocence, and she’s certainly a smart one, but I don’t think she’s a wolf, even if she did vote for the now-known innocent Wilwa. Also for the record, I will regularly be voting early like that except on weekends. I just don't get home early enough.