Shadowed Prince
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Thulcandra
Posts: 2,343
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Night 1
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I think we survived the first day in good shape. I am disturbed that Abercrombie said to look into me, I didn't even vote for her. Shelob's vote for me is bothersome as is Form's statement that I am a werewolf. Form also said TGWBS is guilty. We might see a seer in the mix, especially Shelob. I would be willing to attempt a double bluff and take out Form or Shelob. Form voted first for Valier. It could make her a prime suspect. I want to be bold and not safe with this kill, if you two make it, that is all I want...
Both of you are very quiet, I have settled down a tad. This seems to be normal behavior, but let's not screw this up. Would you prefer to be a boring lil' ordo?
Werewolves must win.
I think Form should be our vote, it will waste another villager day voting against Valier. Form is not as high profile as Sauce or Morm but is quite experienced. Though I would gladly take Shelob. Hey guy what do you think? (Garin)
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Right. Formendacil is the only name you've really mentioned, which strikes me as odd, Garin, considering you said you don't want a safe kill. Formen is perfectly safe because everything he said was in jest.
I'm not sure about killing him. He claims he will be quiet tomorrow too. I also don't want a "safe" (read boring) kill. I want something that will confuse villagers.
More importantly, I want to kill certain people.
First off, the Seer. Obvious enough. The earlier we kill the Seer, the better. As of yet, they'll only know the identity of one person though. I don't think we can catch them for a few days when clues build up.
The Hunter. The earlier we get the hunter, the better, as there is more chance of another innocent dying with them. Hunters often leave clues too. And, in this village, it could help us find the Ranger.
The Seer leaves obvious clues. Hunters often leave little hints. Rangers leave nothing. We'll have to depend on luck to kill the Ranger, but they aren't really a problem until gifteds reveal themselves.
The Cobbler. We need to identify this person. When we do, it is imperative not to identify with them. It may be worth mentioning it, or keeping it to yourself and sharing with our triumvirate in the night.
So, I want to try to find any hints of Seers and Hunters and I'll get back to you if I do. If not, I want a death that will confuse and that we can use to our advantage- so not Formen. He'll also probably become louder later on, which means, as Garin said, a likely lynching. (TGWBS)
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I also suggested Shelob, Guy. She voted for me. Was Form really just joking? Please give me a name to consider... I say we take out Shelob, if she is a seer she might of dreamt about me first because I helped kill her in the last WWJ, and I will always be considered furry. I think it is the name and avatar. I'm on US Mountain Time, 2 hours behind EST, I can be the one who PMs the mod with a vote. I think we need the seer first, the cursed second and any other gifteds after, of course the cursed is luck of the draw (Garin)
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I wouldn't advise killing Shelob. Shelob mentioned one person: you, Garin. Killing her would simply make people look at you. While we could dress it up as a werewolf set up (oh look they want us to lynch Garin!) we really shouldn't draw attention to ourselves so.
Now, we were lucky because all those nominated yesterday were innocent. I voted Abercrombie, which may bring suspicion upon me. However, absolutely everybody voted for an innocent - and that looks guilty.
Now, what I suggest is killing one of those nominated for lynching. This will expand the list of people who voted for known innocents.
The best people to kill are:
Valier (had 3 votes)
Wayne (had 3 votes).
This brings the number of people who definitely voted for an innocent up to 8. That's a considerable number to choose from, and could help confuse.
Valier voters: morm, Garin, Formen. Bad. Mentions Garin.
Wayne voters: Malka, Cailin, Valier
Wayne works. I'd rather go with him. In addition, once somebody dies, people are inclined to trust what they say. Wayne leaves little to work with, save a vote for Formen...
Thoughts? (TGWBS)
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Okay Wayne will always be a target for lynching, I will kill him if Shorty sticks with that. Shelob could be the seer, as I said I'm willing to sacrifice myself as long as the werewolves win. I don't think people will think I am bold enough to kill the girl that voted for me. She could be the cobbler. Who do you think is the cobbler? (Garin)
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As it stands I don't really see the votes for Valier (who, I believe, currently has the most votes). I find her giggling distracting and a little annoying, but beyond that there's no reason I can see for voting for her, and in itself that's no reason.
Abercrombie I can see a little more reasoning behind. Yet somehow I imagine that were she a wolf she'd act less like one. Especially when we don't really have anything on which to base an accusation or assumption.
For myself I'm disinclined to trust Garin, something about him isn't sitting right with me. Perhaps it's that he'd prefer to vote for one person, but votes for another on nothing but chance.
I'm rather loath to add another name to our list of those with votes against them. Then again, I'd rather not tie up the voting. I figure I'll review things then come back at least to vote. (Shelob)
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So it's now four for Abercrombie while Valier has just the three...
I just don't really see either of them as being wolves. I imagine that there's little chance of Abercrombie not being lynched now, as I'm pretty sure that most the votes which are going to be in are in.
I don't want to bandwagon (vote for Aber) and I don't want to tie it (vote for Valier) so I'm just going to vote for the person I have the worst feeling for right now, and that's still
++Garin
It probably won't help today at all, but it beats a bandwagon or a tie. (Shelob)
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Do you truly believe she's the Seer, Garin? I don't believe so, as she didn't mention you at all in her first message (not reproduced here). I think the vote for you based on using a coin is sound - it seems an apathetic thing to do.
Now, I like Wayne, but I am perfectly willing to let you kill Shelob. If you do, I can't promise you a defence tomorrow, especially if she's the Seer. Even if she isn't, I spend my days trying to act as much like a villager as possible, and her death would strongly infer your guilt.
In short, what I'm saying is this: If you believe Shelob to be the Seer, I will kill her. But if we go for her, either way, I will most likely turn against you in the Day.
Naria seems quiet... (TGWBS)
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Well, I think that SPM might be the Hunter, Seer being more far fetched but not impossible. His post #22 at the top really made me suspicious.
Shelob may be the cobbler, post #23. Seems a little to off to be an ordo and goes after SPM.
What do you two think? I will go with the majority with the voting, maybe even Nilp again. (Naria)
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Alas, I cannot protect you by night as you seem to think. But I can wield the sword of justice by day. And as long as I have the strength in me to do so, I shall. It is by the application of cold logic, rather than cold steel, that we shall rid ourselves of this evil that plagues us. (SpM)
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Hmm. That doesn't strike me as very hunter-y. Perhaps he did mean for there to be connotations, but I'd think SpM would be more sensible. He just seems to be saying that logic is good. I'd also like to keep him around - I want to see if I can manipulate him. I feel that I may be able to. SpM's problem is that people listen to him because they know how clever he is - then turn on him when he's wrong.
Nothing about post 23 points to Shelob's cobblerism to me. Care to extrapolate, Naria?
Also, again to Naria in particular, I'd advise you not to go after Nilp again tomorrow. I am traditionally a staunch defender of him, and will have to turn on you tomorrow. It would be best to wait for me to attack you for voting Nilp, then coming up with a defense, but I probably wouldn't be able to do so until about 11:00am EST.
I no longer think we should kill Wayne. He says little. It will seem too much like a setup, and will give three likely innocents rather than three potential werewolves.
So, unless Naria comes up with something about Shelob being the Cobbler, I'll go with killing her. However, this WILL bring suspicion upon Garin. I'll only agree to her killing if he goes with it.
One last name to bring up: Aiwendil.
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Werewolves, you say? No trouble at all; I'll have a wooden stake fixed up in half a moment.
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Not much, but could possibly be a hint at Hunterism.
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I've looked long at the place where Meneltarmacil was slain and I've found not a thing as points the finger at anyone in particular, if you follow me. So it seems to me the best thing's to keep our eyes open for anyone acting suspicious-like.
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Seer hints, as I interpret them. I am now more in favour of killing Aiwendil than anybody else. He also has a go at SpM.
Now, Aiwendil is rational, but not so loud as to be lynched. These are prime enemy traits from a wolf's point of view. Aiwendil also voted Abercrombie, I could manipulate that to bring suspicion upon Kath.
I am now most in favour of killing Aiwendil. Thoughts? (TGWBS)
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Okay Guy, you have sound reasoning for Aiwendil and I will go along with it. (Garin)
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Aiwendil sounds good to me. I was trying to help and maybe take a look at some other players as too my thoughts on them(however brief). I have not yet been a wolf and trying to do my best. TGWBS if you would like to be the "wolf leader" then please say so. You can come after me if I vote Nilp, like you did last time, but last time I had a defence and was a gifted. This time I don't think I could come up with too much to save my hide. So do what you must(if I vote for Nilp).But i fear I will die if you do.
Talking about Nilp, why do you want to save him so bad? He comes into EVERY game and commits suicide. AND we are the wolves, does it really matter who we kill.
Not much time left, I'll go with whomever you two agree on. (Naria)
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Naria - I am just as new to wolvery as you are, as astounding as it sounds! If anybody deserves to be "leader" it's Garin, but I think we should all try to input as much as possible and decide together.
As for Nilp - I wish to act in character. Every game, I protect Nilp and go after those who vote for him, as doing so is useless, an easy vote, etc.
So, I think I may have to leave now (though continue PMing me, I'll read them later!). If Naria agrees, could one of you PM Farael and say we've decided on Aiwendil. If you disagree, Naria, then I will veto killing Wayne. Anybody else we've discussed, feel at liberty to kill, if you don't choose Aiwendil.
Farewell until the morrow. (TGWBS)
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Aiwendil sounds good to me. Garin are you still pm'ing Farael? TGWBS if you want to stay in character then you should, but if I'm not the only one voting for Nilp(and I won't if I am the only one) maybe don't make a huge deal about me (mention me in your post but put more focus on someone else?)
I don't think that we should have a leader per say. The three of us should just take everything that the three of us have too say into consideration and one of us pm the mod. Working together is going to get us lycans further. (Naria)
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I have snatched a few more minutes of internet time!
Seeing as we're all agreed, and Garin hasn't replied yet, I'm sending this to Farael too (in the same PM)
Farael, we have decided to kill ++AIWENDIL. (TGWBS)
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