[the guy who be short]

I would appreciate some advice on how to avoid lynching. I have been warned not to change my habits but I have had to do so out of neccessity. This is actually the longest I've made it as both a villager and an wolf, so maybe it is isn't so bad.
I am willing to pull a bluff and take out one of my detractors-- Valier or Cailin.
Marcolie might be a good idea, Form might be a cobbler.
I want the cursed so bad. We will surely win if we succceed in that lottery.
TGWBS voted against one of us, it ended up being a good bluff. I'm glad it didn't start a bandwagon.
So, who is our next feast my furry partners? (Garin)

I don't really know what to tell ya Garin, I realize that work should be first but in making your decision to do your work it has made people suspicious. You must admitt that the way that you are playing this game is NOT at all the way that you play other games....In saying that I don't know how some people can fly below the radar the whole game ie: Malka. She made a huge mistake and voted for a dead guy! Then retracted her vote. I thought that we weren't allowed to do that no matter what excuse.
Anyway, I'd like to get rid of Cailin and Morm they are both onto us. However this would cast direct suspision on us if we do kill either one of them right now....thoughts? (Naria)

I want to keep morm around because he probably thinks I am an innocent and will not vote for me. I am willing to take down Cailin even though it will cast suspicion upon me, I don't care, it is always upon me. (Garin)

The thing with voting for Cailin is that she didn't put you(Garin) in her post but me and TGWBS in. I would love to get rid of her though....she's too close for comfort. And what is up with Form? (Naria)

Naria, my dear I believe Cailin VOTED for me. If she is truly going after all of us, I say good riddance. As for Form, maybe a cobbler? Maybe just has an ego and help when Sauce takes over. (Garin)

Do either of you know if SPM acts like he is in most games that he is in? Like he is trying to take over...

I guess it wouldn't really matter if Cailin dies then. Don't really know who else right now. Maybe I'll go check and see. (Naria)

Hello guys (generically, of course, Naria ),

Naria, I voted for you because:

1) It was safe, but I can say it wasn't. It was early and made you equalise with the others, but you were unlikely to develop into a bandwagon and get voted for.

2) It will help us. If either of us two should die, we can point to this to take some pressure off of us.

Now, we need a plan for you tomorrow. I need to keep enough pressure on you continually that, if the need should develop, I can vote for you, but also not enough pressure for me to go ahead with it now.

Here's what I think your defence should be:

You voted at such a time that it was almost certain your vote would be the last. In this case, you could either cement Abercrombie's death - give reasons why you didn't want to - or cast a vote that would not alter the outcome at all. You did the latter, voting for who you believe to be most guilty, at the time.

This will allow me to take pressure off you for your "throwaway" vote as, in reality, there was little you could do. The best defence for voting for Nilp is this: You don't know whether he's innocent or guilty, and he has the perfect bluff if he is a wolf. Therefore, it is safest to lynch him.

Now, Naria, wolves are also infamous for sticking around near the end to vote. You must try not to do this tomorrow.

In addition, try to post more - I don't want people to be able to cast suspicion on you due to your quietness.

That is all.


Garin, I feel you are doomed... I will give some thought to how you should act tomorrow once I've looked at possible people we could kill tonight.
And yeah, I screwed up with Aiwendil... (TGWBS)

I couldn't get on at all yesterday because I didn't have a computer and everything set up on it till after the deadline. I KNOW that that is gunna come back and bite me in the butt. Hopefully not too hard
TGWBS--So you are going to mention me in today's post? That is why I should bring up voting for Nilp? I went through all of the posts from everyone and am really confused right now.
Cailin looks like she might get lynched today, came pretty close between her and Shelob yesterday. And a few people are suspicous of her. Now should we eat her tonight or let the village deal with her? Her and Morm are really the only one's that have us in there sights and because of this I think one of them should die tonight....thoughts? (Naria)

Righto. I've had a quick look over what's been happening, what you guys have said, and what the village did, once again. For the record:

1. Malkatoj - Nilp (Malkatoj - 1)
2. Kath - malkatoj (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1)
3. Garin - Valier (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1)
4. Cailin - mormegil (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1)
5. Shelob - SpM (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 1)
6. Naria - TGWBS (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 1; Naria - 1)
7. Shelob - spawn (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1)
8. SpM - Formen (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 1; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1; SpM - 1)
9. Garin - Cailin (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 2; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1; SpM - 1)
10. Valier - Kath (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 2; Cailin - 1; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1; SpM - 1; Valier - 1)
11. Cailin - Shelob (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 2; Cailin - 2; Shelob - 2; Naria - 1; SpM - 1; Valier - 1)
12. Shelob - Garin (Malkatoj - 1; Kath - 1; Garin - 2; Cailin - 2; Shelob - 3; Naria - 1; SpM - 1; Valier - 1)
Did not vote Gil Galad, Glirdan, Marcolie Lamen, wayne, Naria

Naria, you will need to come up with an excuse for not voting. Computer problems would be good.

Killing Cailin - Perhaps. She feels I am innocent, but casts suspicion on Naria early on and votes Garin. Two out of three. So I support killing her if you feel you need to. Garin, you can claim this is a set up to make you look guilty, but be careful not to do so until it is brought up. The thing is, morm suspects Cailin, and indeed voted for her. Leaving her in could fuel antagonism. There is also ill will between Cailin and spawn that we could manipulate - I feel strongly.

Killing Valier - Perhaps. I think people may find her style a little annoying, and indeed, Kath voted for her. Leaving her could also fuel antagonism. I'm more in favour of killing her than Cailin simply because, with Cailin, we can manipulate the situation. Mormegil also suspects her, so there is potential there...

Morm - I don't agree with killing him. He is respected, but wrong quite a lot. The statement where he suspects you and I, Naria, is questionable - indeed, I have already questioned him, and if he brings it up tomorrow, will do so again. This makes that case weak. I support leaving him in.

SpM - Yes, often leads debate.

Formen - Might be the cobbler, agreed.

Now, mormegil, both Garin and I are in favour of leaving. So he lives.

This leaves Valier and Cailin. If you both agree with killing Cailin, I'll go along with it. But I see a lot of potential for conflict betwixt innocents if we leave her. As for Valier, if you both agree, I'll also go with that, I have few strong opinions.

What I think we should do is capitalise on the confusion in the village. The vast range of votes cast shows that people don't know what to think. Though some people are onto us, they are in a minority.

The best way to capitalise on the confusion is to kill another person who won't reveal much. Glirdan, Marcolie, Gil Galad, wayne come to mind.

But perhaps the worst thing for us is malkatoj. Her vote has made her seem innocent in the eyes of all. Having somebody so widely trusted is dangerous - the villagers could rally around her. In any case, killing her will leave more suspects in the village than leaving her.

So, in order, I support killing:
Malka,
Marcolie / wayne
Cailin / Valier

Please reply ASAP (TGWBS)

I was thinking that it would be a little premature to get rid of Cailin right now, looks like she might do a better job of killing herself(lynched) than we would. And would it not cast direct suspicion of Garin and I? I will leave her alone for now.
I agree with the people that you have listed. I'm thinking Glirdan might be a gifted...which one I'm not too sure. Form could very well be our Cobbler. So we should get rid of the ones that would not help the villagers for the next day. I will go with Valier however she did vote for Garin, maybe one of the others? Any one of those you listed TGWBS is good for me. I also had most of them on my list.
I will try to defend myself the best I can without being overly defensive. If you mention Nilp I will attack you(shorty). I don't know if it would be a good idea to bring Nilp up again, unless you wanted people to really look at me. It worked last game... (Naria)

Naria - I will indeed be attacking you tomorrow. It would seem inconsistent not to - I will bring your vote up early, if possible.

You should retaliate defensively. Please don't attack me though. It would create a horrible situation in which the likelihood of one of us being lynched would rise exponentially. It's safer for you to stick to a defence, and me to accept it, hold you in suspicion, but move on elsewhere.

So, Naria and I are agreed on killing Valier, Glirdan, malka, marcolie, wayne.

So far, Garin has shown interest in killing Valier. The best thing to do now is to wait for Garin to appear and share his thoughts on these villagers.

Naria, do you have an particular preference out of the five above? Could you perhaps put them in order, and then Garin could do the same, and then we could decide? (TGWBS)

Malkatoj? I thought her vote makes her look guilty, but what do I know.
I would go for
1)Valier
2)Ang
3)Malk (Garin)

Garin - Ang(uirel) isn't playing!

Malka's vote has widely made her seem innocent because people feel a wolf wouldn't make such a mistake.

So, Garin, perhaps a revised list without Ang and with the other four people mentioned as candidates - Marcolie, Glirdan, Wayne, Gil - and then we we could make comparisons and decide? (TGWBS)

Valier, sounds like this is one dead villager today
TGWBS please don't back me into to tight of a corner today from which I cannot get out of concerning Nilp....

Preferences: Valier
Malka
Cailin
Glirdan
Wayne
Marcolie
In this order. (Naria)

Valier tops two lists, so it looks like it's her. Before we finalise, though, give me a few minutes to analyse any potential outcomes of her death. (TGWBS)

I meant Cailin not Ang, for some reason I keep wanting to call her that, I've almost done it in the game. (Garin)

Here are possible outcomes and plans for the death o Valier:

1) Kath voted for Valier. This will make her seem more innocent, and she will turn her thoughts elsewhere. She could really go anywhere, though she thinks spawn is innocent. A bit of a wildcard really.

2) Valier voted for Garin. As soon as this is mentioned, you must shake it off as a double bluff, Garin. "I already got votes, then this, it's a set up," etc. This works well as you are the only one she mentioned yesterday.

That's it really. I doubt people will look back to Day 1, when Valier voted for Wayne, and Formen, morm and Garin voted for Valier.

Seeing as we are all in accord, I will PM Menel in an hour's time - this should be enough time to raise any worries or thoughts you guys might have about killing her. (TGWBS)

...and Guy try to go easy on Naria. I don't think it is really necessary to continue the accusations unless is brought up again. Be consistent but don't get the girl lynched.
Wish me luck... and the best of luck to you two. (Garin)

C'est tout. Looking back, it's annoying how close we came to killing Malka and Glirdan so early on.