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Old 02-20-2006, 04:23 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Earendilyon
I think Melkor tried to sway Varda to his side (like he did with Sauron and many other Maiar) as she was a very powerfull Vala; with her help, he thought he would certainly overcome the other Valar.
But why is it especially mentioned then? Why isn't there then similar remarks about other Valar/Valier? (See A_Brandybuck's post below yours.)

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Originally Posted by A_Brandybuck
There must be another reason, that Melkor started to hate her. I mean, Tolkien mentioned only Varda in this case, consequently she must have done something, what the other Ainur have not done.

I see the reason in a special rivalry of the 'brothers in mind' Melkor and Manwë. Both are really powerful Ainu and plays some special parts in the thoughts of Eru. But both represents the opposite in the concepts, which they have. Evil versus Good.

It seems to me (I am only speculating), that both Ainur wanted Varda as spouse. But she rejected Melkor and became the spouse of Manwë. Considering the rivalry of Manwë and Melkor, this must be very hurtful for Melkor to see his chosen spouse going to his rival in mind.

That could be an explanation of the (from Tolkien) underlined hatred of Melkor against Varda. Refusing to being spouse of him and then becoming spouse of his rival can be a reason for very personal feelings and when you are assessed like Melkor, this will be manifested surely as hatred.
That was what I was thinking about and i'm glad that you have also thought so, because I wondered if I was becoming pervertic (=seeing dual meanings everywhere).

But, again, do Valar have romantic/sexual feelings? I think I read from somewhere that they didn't, but it seems that at least maiar (or some of them) had: see Melian. That o'course takes us to interesting paths: what if gandalf had fallen in love with someone in ME?!?

Seriously, I question my own conclusion about maiar and love; maybe it wasn't romantic/sexual love that Melian felt towards Thingol, but somekind of deep affection (which we see Gandalf being capable of) and their marriage was kind of compromise/union of her affection and Thingol's love (and lust). Any thoughts?
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