[Garin]

All of the ideas seem intriguing, some better than others. The dueling wizards would certainly tax a moderator. The theif role could be tweaked. I'm not sure what my favorite is (including the many I didn't mention) but I'll think about it.

So far the different roles I've seen in games are the Apprentice (Takes the place of the first gifted that dies) and the Fool (Someone who falsely believes he/she is the Seer).

The Apprentice worked out well, I liked that one. The False Seer failed mainly because the crafty wolves took out the True Seer on the first day.

I was thinking of a sort of Were Bear that is randomly assigned an innocent or evil role for the day based on, perhaps, the coin flip of the moderator. One day he/she kills while the other days he/she is an innocent.
I tend to appreciate evil roles the most.

As for a new thread, I think this one suffices.

The main thing that most Downers would appreciate are roles that don't cancel out the standard roles, some people tire of being an ordo all of the time. I like the roles that are subtle and don't eliminate other gifteds/villlians.