[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Umm... duh. Of course Vilya was used in some way at some point.

I'm glad we agree.

Yes, anyone can make a refuge, but not everyone can put up a refuge that can stand up for a considerable time against Mordor.

One word: Vilya.

The quotes of Rivendell that you provided are from the Third Age. I doubt the refuge that Elrond founded in the Second Age was as glorious as it was later after he had had time to make it stronger with the aid of Vilya.

Also, I'm not voting for people based on if they can control a river or not.

I can't see that you've brought any new information to the table. You haven't disproved a word of what I've said.

Neither have you, m'dear. One thing you got right, though. I am stubborn.

PS You can reverse my opinion of you rather quickly simply by changing your vote to a better candidate.

So, you respect people who blindly follow your opinion whatever it is and don't use their own brain? Sorry, not interested.