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Cazoz · 04-28-2003, 07:52 PM

I wasn't referring to the Rangers disappearing in terms of thin air and their duties, more the tag of 'Rangers' itself. With the Re-united Kingdom, and Aragorn's promise (and subsequent undertaking) of sorting things out in the North, I don't think the Rangers would have remained so. I believe they would have had more official posts and tasks, based in Eregion and out of Annuminas. After all, the Shire and Bree were to be left to their own devices.

And yes, the sons will have identified more with Men on their travels (I considered the Grey Company too) but in the end they're with their grandfather. This isn't to say that they still weren't in close companionship with their mortal comrades and friends but simply that when all was said and done they chose to reside with their grandfather, thus essentially renewing their Elven allegiances (I almost wrote preferences, but that would be speculative and too far-fetched). So as the age of Men begun and the need for their secretive, thankless patrols diminished and the World was somewhat 'legitimised' through a new King and the re-unity, I do not think that their services would be expected (not that they ever were, perhaps with exceptions such as Elrond) and looked for. After all, isn't the whole point of this era the diminishing of the Elves in ME and the time for Men and Hobbits to be self-serving and self-sufficient, to be able to handle their affairs and look after themselves without the intervention of the Wise?

This would of course include Elladan and Elrohir if they did choose mortality, but unlike Elros and his descendents they would not have had the important position, stature and dominion of Kings; they were from the wrong branch! I am not speculating that they would be obsessed with ambition (would they have split a Kingdom in the manner of Elendil in regards to the domains of Isildur and Anarion!?) but Elros played an important part and took on a huge responsibility when he chose mortality and came into the throne of Numenor. No such responsibility or place would the sons have in the FA, as Aragorn was the undisputed heir to the throne. And assuming they are very wise and strong (given their lineage) would it really have been equitable to have them as mere counsellors and war captains to Aragorn and their younger sister when they might have been greater? Talk about selling yourself short! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ April 28, 2003: Message edited by: Cazoz ]

04-28-2003, 07:52 PM	#10
Cazoz Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 71	I wasn't referring to the Rangers disappearing in terms of thin air and their duties, more the tag of 'Rangers' itself. With the Re-united Kingdom, and Aragorn's promise (and subsequent undertaking) of sorting things out in the North, I don't think the Rangers would have remained so. I believe they would have had more official posts and tasks, based in Eregion and out of Annuminas. After all, the Shire and Bree were to be left to their own devices. And yes, the sons will have identified more with Men on their travels (I considered the Grey Company too) but in the end they're with their grandfather. This isn't to say that they still weren't in close companionship with their mortal comrades and friends but simply that when all was said and done they chose to reside with their grandfather, thus essentially renewing their Elven allegiances (I almost wrote preferences, but that would be speculative and too far-fetched). So as the age of Men begun and the need for their secretive, thankless patrols diminished and the World was somewhat 'legitimised' through a new King and the re-unity, I do not think that their services would be expected (not that they ever were, perhaps with exceptions such as Elrond) and looked for. After all, isn't the whole point of this era the diminishing of the Elves in ME and the time for Men and Hobbits to be self-serving and self-sufficient, to be able to handle their affairs and look after themselves without the intervention of the Wise? This would of course include Elladan and Elrohir if they did choose mortality, but unlike Elros and his descendents they would not have had the important position, stature and dominion of Kings; they were from the wrong branch! I am not speculating that they would be obsessed with ambition (would they have split a Kingdom in the manner of Elendil in regards to the domains of Isildur and Anarion!?) but Elros played an important part and took on a huge responsibility when he chose mortality and came into the throne of Numenor. No such responsibility or place would the sons have in the FA, as Aragorn was the undisputed heir to the throne. And assuming they are very wise and strong (given their lineage) would it really have been equitable to have them as mere counsellors and war captains to Aragorn and their younger sister when they might have been greater? Talk about selling yourself short! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [ April 28, 2003: Message edited by: Cazoz ]