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littlemanpoet · 03-19-2006, 07:45 AM

Thanks for an excellent contribution, Legolas. I've placed the Vala based on your suggestions, but on some you made no suggestions. Those Vala are placed more or less without objective reasoning to back them up, so please offer suggestions anyone.

narfforc, thanks for the thoughts. I just cannot bring myself to put half-breeds with humans above "pure-bred" orcs because orcs are inferior to humans. Therefore, the half-breed must come between. I'm thinking about dispensing with my distinction between Orc and Goblin, as they seem to be the same thing. However, it seems to me that there are mountain orcs that are of the smallest and most cowardly variety, as compared to Mordor orcs, such as Grishnakh, who is not cowardly and really quite dangerous. Granted, Grishnakh seems to be an unusually canny orc, so he deserves inclusion. Still, I think Mordor orcs are a bit above mountain orcs. So I guess I'll stick with my distinction. Or are Mordor orcs always Uruk-hai? I'm thinking not... any help?

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Aulë
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Lorien
Nienna
Tulkas
Estë
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Beleg
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Eldar: Noldor
Eldar: Teleri
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Eldar: Sindar
Faramir
Humans: line of Elros
Gimli the Dwarf
Half-trolls
Eldar: Laiquendi
Eldar: Nandor
Eldar: Avari
Wargs
Dwarves
Goldberry
Denethor
Boromir
Humans: Gondorians
Humans: Umbarians
Humans: the Druedain
Humans: Rohirrim
Humans: of the North (Bree, Dunlendings, Beornings, Esgaroth, etc.)
Humans: of the East & South (non-Umbarian Harad, Easterlings, etc.)
Meriadoc Brandybuck
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Peregrin Took
Bullroarer Took
Saruman divested
Grishnakh
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03-19-2006, 07:45 AM	#55
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Thanks for an excellent contribution, Legolas. I've placed the Vala based on your suggestions, but on some you made no suggestions. Those Vala are placed more or less without objective reasoning to back them up, so please offer suggestions anyone. narfforc, thanks for the thoughts. I just cannot bring myself to put half-breeds with humans above "pure-bred" orcs because orcs are inferior to humans. Therefore, the half-breed must come between. I'm thinking about dispensing with my distinction between Orc and Goblin, as they seem to be the same thing. However, it seems to me that there are mountain orcs that are of the smallest and most cowardly variety, as compared to Mordor orcs, such as Grishnakh, who is not cowardly and really quite dangerous. Granted, Grishnakh seems to be an unusually canny orc, so he deserves inclusion. Still, I think Mordor orcs are a bit above mountain orcs. So I guess I'll stick with my distinction. Or are Mordor orcs always Uruk-hai? I'm thinking not... any help? Eru Morgoth Manwë Ulmo Varda Yavanna Aulë Oromë Mandos Lorien Nienna Tulkas Estë Vairë Vana Nessa Earendil Ancalagon Ungoliant Glaurung Smaug Sauron Eonwë Osse Uinen The Ring Gandalf the White Witch King of Angmar Saruman the White Fëanor Finrod Felagund Melian Gandalf the Grey Lúthien Galadriel Thingol Elrond Glorfindel Balrogs Nazgúl Arwen Undómiel Húrin Túrin Turambar (Morgoth slaying is eschatological) Círdan Blue Istari Thorondor Eagles Huan Mearas Aragorn son of Arathorn Radagast Tom Bombadil Ents Trolls Shelob Beleg Frodo Baggins Eldar: Vanyar Eldar: Noldor Eldar: Teleri Legolas Eldar: Sindar Faramir Humans: line of Elros Gimli the Dwarf Half-trolls Eldar: Laiquendi Eldar: Nandor Eldar: Avari Wargs Dwarves Goldberry Denethor Boromir Humans: Gondorians Humans: Umbarians Humans: the Druedain Humans: Rohirrim Humans: of the North (Bree, Dunlendings, Beornings, Esgaroth, etc.) Humans: of the East & South (non-Umbarian Harad, Easterlings, etc.) Meriadoc Brandybuck Samwise Gamgee Peregrin Took Bullroarer Took Saruman divested Grishnakh Half-orcs Uruk hai Orcs Gollum Hobbits Goblins Spiders Last edited by littlemanpoet; 03-20-2006 at 01:38 PM.